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Old 2012-01-31, 19:44   Link #146
itachi-san314
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Originally Posted by Ero-Senn1n View Post
Sure it can evolve, but is that forced/augmented evolution or just the natural next level? If it were natural then why would Madara bother fighting the 1st hokage with only EMS? He was risking his life, he lost the kyuubi and almost lost his life. He was badly injured also, we don't know to what extent, we only know Tobi tells us he is crippled becuase of that fight, but then it turns out he is not Madara. If he had this naturally he would have waited until somehow it is naturally awakened in him (by killing Uchiha or Senju or whatever other method) and only after that he would go to fight the hokage and the whole village. If he had the rinnegan at that time he would have won and destroyed Konoha. The only legitimate reason i could think of is that he was thinking that to awaken the rinnegan he would need to fight the strongest ninja alive, who is also the man he admired, and then his EMS would turn into rinnegan ( BTW i think there's a chance Sasuke will gain the rinnegan against Naruto, when he is about to lose ). But Tobi tells us something different: his primary goal was to obtain the DNA and not revenge or something like that.

I can't imagine how would he obtain the rinnegan in a very weakened state which happens when somebody is about to die.
Overusing the rinnegan is probably not the case, because the first thing he would do after obtaining the rinnegan and being 100% healthy is to go to Konoha to kill everyone. But he never attacked Konoha.
Another possibility would be if he was crippled after he lost the fight against the 1st, but we see that a even a crippled rinnegan user like Nagato can beat hokage level people. So even then i would expect that he attacks Konoha with the 6 path corpses, but he didn't do that.
you're not including the 'moon's eye plan' in your deductions. maybe once he achieved rinnegan, he thought that putting that plan into action was even better than going back to konoha and killing everyone. I'm assuming he fought hashirama with ems because he either didnt know about rinnegan at that time, didn't know how to awaken it before that fight, or like you said: he thought that fighting hashirama would awaken it.

I agree about sasuke getting it in his fight with naruto btw

edit: in retrospect it does make sense to need senju and uchiha dna to get rinnegan since the rikudo sennin was the originator of rinnegan and had both obviously (although by that logic all later generation senju and uchiha should have both dna, just more of one than the other). so perhaps it requires a lot of both dna strands?

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