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Spoiler for To yukirosuzuka:

Originally Posted by yukirosuzuka

Compared to the superpowers of the magic side, she IS weak. Can she stand a chance against people like God's Right Seat or Ollerus? No, she can't. And it's not like she doesn't help him at all - she beats up the Hound Dogs in this arc and in the Remnant arc she made a staircase for Touma to jump up and save Kuroko. It's a situational thing, really, which not only applies to her but to other characters as well. For example, Kanzaki only fought with Touma once in volume 16 from what I can remember. It just so happens that Touma is a magic side protagonist, and people like Tsuchimikado and the Amakusa Catholics are the ones that are most helpful to him in situations he gets involved in.

But they still help despite, as opposed to Mikoto being pretty much the only superpowered character who keeps suddenly running into forced reason after another to miss out on battles.

Spoiler for To MonkeyDude:

Originally Posted by MonkeyDude

No I'm saying that only 'broken' characters should get the spotlight (antagonist typically) and the appropriate hero to take them out...as in someone who can actually do something. You keep asking for Mikoto to be involved in fights Touma has been in or at least involved in general. There are only a handful of instances she could be somewhat useful, but most of the time she's dead weight. That's just how the story works...she's powerful, but not 'broken' powerful.

You're still missing part of my point; even if she's not useful (I'd still argue that she's not as useless as you say), it doesn't make sense that she wouldn't contribute. The Amakusa members and all those other characters don't have IB to cancel out the Front Seat members' broken abilities, yet they still help whenever they're around to.
And you're trying to limit the scope to just the broken bad guys; for example, what about Sherry Cromwell? The only reason Mikoto missed out on that fight was because of "convenient" (read, plot hole) reasons for her being absent at just the right time to miss the fight.

It's been awhile since I read v13, but did Touma know about Divine Punishment before heading into battle? Not that it matters since know about it or not, activate the parameters for DP and you're out cold. And since we all know how emotional Mikoto can be...it shouldn't be that hard. Though let's say that she somehow bypasses DP, then yeah I agree that this is a fight Mikoto can actually take part in. My money is still on Vento if we compare their battle abilities and her wanton disregard for public safety.

I know you've missed my point entirely there, because your whole first line sided with me. You're talking about Divine Punishment being a reason for why Mikoto wouldn't be in a fight; how so? Is she going to go "Oh crap, this guy has an ability that the readers know I can't beat" or something? So she's not going to know that she should stay out of a fight; she's not reading/watching a title called Toaru Index like us.
As for if she could get around DP, I'd be willing to bet Mikoto would actually bee a good match for Vento. Bad guys not caring for peope around is nothing new for any hero/heroine.

That's not the point I was trying to make AND THIS IS A LINE MIKOTO SAID HERSELF so regardless, she'll run straight into a battle like an idiot Level0/5. Because Itsuwa and Kaori are characters Touma consider to be COMRADES, while Mikoto is a character he considers to be someone that needs to be protected. They are professional magicians and hell one is a Saint that far exceeds Mikoto's battle capabilities and only appears in fights that she barely scraped by...they aren't some middle school girl that relies solely on her esper capabilities.

The Railgun manga would like to have a word with you.
Mikoto has displayed she is fully capable of not only using great strategy and tactics to fight powerful opponents, but can also fend off multiple powerful opponents in succession while severely exhausted both mentally and physically. She took on Mugino immediately after Frenda, after already having been running around the city blowing up labs in the Railgun side of the SISTERS arc. She's far more capable than you think; like other things, the Index series just has a way of making Mikoto look dumber than she is.

I think you're the one missing the point here. It's horrid writing to keep including her in the story when she serves no real purpose besides fanservice. She can only fight mooks ffs and she's still getting so many pages just to appeal to the fans. She's not like Itsuwa (who is really at mook level - as much as I like her) who possesses a move capable of defeating someone like Acqua. She's just an electromaster...powerful in its own right, rather weak in the overall Toaruverse.

"Horrid writing to keep including her for fanservice?" How does the Amakasua church members contribute to Touma fighting off Acqua any more than Mikoto would? What's horrid writing, is force-feeding us contrived and forced reasons to keep Mikoto out, which has been happening in Index for a long time. Teleporting a Level 5 out of danger before a helpless civilian? (or so they believed at the time, anyway) Sphinx running off just before the bad guy attacks? Bleh.
I also again submit that you far underestimate Mikoto.

You also have to understand not only Touma, but Kuroko. She acknowledges her onee-sama's capabilities, but she also doesn't want to put herself in harm's way. She made the decision to teleport her out and it fits within her characterization.

Erm, I strongly dispute this; Kuroko is a responsible member of Judgement who is tasked with upholding the peace and protecting the citizenry. So much so, that she clearly and specifically told Mikoto that she would fight against her if Mikoto became an enemy of Academy City; yet she decides to leave a (assumed) Level 0 in danger to get the Level 5 out? Plot hole.[/QUOTE]

Spoiler for To Wilfriback:

Originally Posted by Wilfriback

I'm playing with the views, then under the same logic we will find how contradictory is keeping Index character away from the incidents related to magic in Index series.

I dispute in no way that keeping Index out of the magic side events in her own series is contradictory; it's just that people have more trouble accepting that it's dumb to force plot holes to keep Mikoto out.
And really, Index actually does see some action herself (against Sherry's Golem) and even had a sort of action role when she found out about Touma's amnesia. Even if she was just going berserk, it's still a semblance of action that Mikoto keeps getting forced out of.

Keep in mind that you are talking about a character that always does everything on her own without telling anyone. You know that even in the last novels she was there alone in Russia, the "teamwork" doesn't seem to be in her dictionary.

Well in that particular case, it's not like she had a team of Espers to call for backup (the only person she could count on was Kuroko, but I'm not sure we want to stretch out into Kuroko and getting involved inthe magic side too ); Mikoto was there to find Touma, after all. She can't work together with a guy she hasn't found yet. Besides, iirc she was with Misaka 10777 in Russia in her search for Touma.

Killed or not (she never got any injure and never will have one), its a matter of the knowledge she lacks, and the knowledge in the magic side is power. If she doesn't has it she won't be of use if the skill for the matter isn't patent.
Then, were is the conflict?

Mikoto isn't any less knowledgeable on the magic side than Touma, yet he manages to find out whether it be from Index's help or figures out on his own; either way, if Mikoto is there too, I somehow doubt he or Index would keep that kind of secret from Mikoto in the middle of a fight.

Etzali was an assasin send to kill her but never noticed she was targeted to be killed, oh wait, the guy fell in love with her. Isn't convenient?
Also, even average and nameless magicians know how to use spells like Opila to keep people away in their fights, how she can be the exception?

And how do you know the reason Mikoto never caught on to him was because he never tried to kill her? Touma didn't know either, yet he still survived that first shot at him from behind.
Sherry for one never used keep-out magic, so that doesn't explain anything there at least.

It wasn't told already that animals has more developed sense of danger unlike humans, it was mentioned even in the novels. And... It wasn't mentioned that animals are afraid of her because of her electromagnetic field?

It's still a convenient plot hole that the cat just happened to run away at the right time to seperate Index and Mikoto.
Sphinx didn't have any problem with Mikoto's electric field until just the right time to seperate them.

If you are labeling people, then, wouldn't you be in the people who overestimates her?
If there are other characters that help him is because they can they are in the same world unlike Mikoto, Accelerator, Shiage, etc.

Erm, ever heard of sarcasm, people?
I'm not sure how there's such a thing as overestimating her when we have no actual idea how she'd fare againt a magician. (though saying she'd be an invinceable war machine would definitely be on the overestimating side )
Missed my point there; why are people of the magic side the only people who can help him? No other character has the Imagine Breaker, so Mikoto wouldn't fare any less against people like Acqua than the Amakusa church members who helped Touma would.

Spoiler for To I_am_Kami:

Originally Posted by I_am_Kami

Sherry Cromwell arc- A) she left with index conveniently when the fight started.
Well if we hadn't done that then we wouldn't have known that Kazakiri was not human and some phenomenon made of AIM

Exactly; plot hole. Forcing inconsistent actins in order to execute the story.

B) she is left behind when index goes to fight golem by coincedence.

well for one like Wilfriback said she didn't chase after since the cat would run away and it also gave index a chance to finally fight in the series.

First, you're missing the point again; Sphinx running off at just the right time was forced in order to keep Mikoto away from Index for the Golem's attack. Second, as I said above, Sphinx showed no problem with Mikoto, then suddenly ran off. Third, again exactly; plot hole. Forced Mikoto to be seperated from Index for that scene.

Aqcua of the back- Don't need to say much since aqua himself would just kill her. Doesn't even need powers, his brute strength alon make him the arnold swarchznagger of the series. The scene where she realizexe her feelings is enough

Missing the point again, guys. Mikoto doesn't know about any Arnold Schwarzenegger character; Acqua being powerful isn't relevant, because Mikoto doesn't know anything about that. That's out-of-series reasoning. Furthermore, having realized she's in love with Touma would only make her all the more willing to help him.

Russia- Can't say much since she did alot against the Russian army but against Fiamma by chance. Oh boy she'd die. She couldn't save touma cuz tremors were a bother.

Again, Mikoto wouldn't know anything about how powerful Fiamma is. But even if she did, it's Mikoto; that wouldn't stop her from trying to help.

1)As i just told shinji avoiding the purpose of Kazakiri is an even bigger plot hole.
2)Its not exactly forced when the story already mentions she's not good with animals.

3)Sometimes fanservice is funny instead of soft hentai and in this series it aint a problem since its not all the time.
4)We don't know what would have happened. Lots of people thought it'd be cool but its not the right "feeling". Something like that should happen when an enemy wants to scare someone or you someone wants to shock u letting u know they are there and run away. Though maybe it could've been both have shock but looses the other in the crowd,then again it wouldn't make sense since they'd try to find the other.[/QUOTE]1. How so? Forcing inconsistency to move the plot forward os a plot hole; why didn't Kamachi at least find a way to bring about the revelation about Kazakiri without forcing a plot hole on us?
2. No offense, but that's a poor, horrible excuse and still a forced plot hole. The cat was perfectly fine there next to Mikoto, and even down in the mall when Mikoto was letting off actual sparks. Then Sphinx suddenly needed to run off in order to have Index chase after it, thus seperating Index from Mikoto.

Fingers are a bit cold and a little stiff, so expect typos. Too tired and lazy to go back over everything though.