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Originally Posted by Renall
So it's dirty pool to have an all-meta episode, but completely unsubstantiated things told to Battler that we never once see or hear are okay?
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The climax at the very end of EP2 had piece-Battler hearing "the entire story" from someone claiming to be Beatrice. I don't see how you could possible say that's unfair.
And EP4 is even more obvious, showing us the time that Battler does hear the magic story told to him. In EP1, Battler doesn't hear a fake story, but we also don't see magic scenes. In other words, every Episode except EP3 made it extremely obvious that someone had told Battler some story.
And yes, I do think not showing us the exact conversation that Battler has with the culprit at the end of each game is hardly unfair.
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Originally Posted by Renall
And yet, you never, ever, ever ask yourself "and if the killer doesn't happen to be Shkanon..." Your theory will never be acceptable without considering alternatives.
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So, you refuse to even consider something that has Shkanon in it?
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We are also never told what he was told.
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Yes, but if you had a guess, what would be near the top of the list?
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And who, pray tell, has the knowledge available to tell him? And it's useless anyway, as it leads him to accuse Eva, who is physically incapable of having caused most of the murders and may well have caused none of them.
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What? Eva is capable of committing all of the murders in EP3, if you'd like. Of course, I don't think she did, but it is possible. And it doesn't matter whether that story was true or not as long as Battler believed in it.
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And no, no one else is alive at this time but him, Eva, and Jessica.
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Say it in red.
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You have never once been able to demonstrate it, so I don't think either of us can claim it's factually true or untrue until something officially confirms or denies it, because it exists for the very purpose of being divisive (and, I would venture to guess, little else).
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No, I mean it's factually untrue to say that Shkanon exists for no human reason by that theory's claims. In that theory, the reason Shannon and Kanon appear as separate people is because
humans on the game board mistakenly think that they are. It is a lie that worked. This is in comparison to that particular Erika theory, which seemed to say that Erika was only a meta-entity (or at least that most Erika scenes were only meta-scenes).