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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness
you see, learning your lesson, only works if you actually LEARN it
if you automaticlly fall back on your old douchebag self when things AREN'T perfect, then you've learned nothing
but instead of owning up to what HE did, he BLAMES it on euphie and exploits it to his advantage
one would at least hope he'd recognize the sacrifice and at least man up and do what he has to do to the end
but he ditches the black rebellion in the middle of the battle, the moment he's at risk of losing something he REALLY cares about
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You're deliberately trying to paint his actions in the worst possible manner to make yourself right. A nation of pissed off Japanese would not be placated by "I didn't mean for that to happen, my bad." If you think they would, you're delusional. Lelouch made the best of a bad situation, plain and simple. He made Euphie's death into something that benefited the Japanese people (or at least would have barring other factors). Him abandoning the battle was an emotional reaction to losing the one person in the world he cares about, and you can't honestly say you wouldn't do the same if, for example, your daughter was in danger and you could do something about it.
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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness
it is at THIS point that i would like to raise my idea of what makes lelouch/zero different then say ... Bruce Wayne/batman
in the case of batman, the identity of batman is a means by which Bruce Wayne can act on his true ideology and ethics
his civilian ID is a fake persona whicl batman is who he really is
batman is a symbol through which he can BE HIMSELF
this is NOT the case for lelouch/zero
zero is NOT a persona by which lelouch is able to enact his own "real" self
instead, the mask of zero is a tool that allows lelouch to PRETEND to be a heroic figure, in order to RALLY PEOPLE TO HIS SIDE
zero's stated ideals and Lelouch's actual world view are NOT the same, and lelouch admits this at several points during the story
SOME of the views he expresses as zero might be beliefs he also holds on his own, but his real goals and methods are far from his stated ones as zero
while, as zero, he claims to champion the weak and fight for justice, lelouch admits that he only created zero for nunnaly, and admits to suzaku that the mask is simply a tool to gather support for his cause
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Apples and oranges. Batman is a crime fighter, not a revolutionary. These two things are very different. Batman works alone (or with a partner or two) on purpose, because that's what is necessary.
Zero needs followers. One man cannot fight a war. Just because his stated ideals and own ideals do not match, which is true of any politician (ever heard of PR?), does not mean that the two are mutually exclusive, nor that he was not going to honor the PR deal (which he was, quite explicitly).
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Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness
THIS is the main thing about lelouch
lelouch is not a mask clad hero
lelouch is using the mask in order to PRETEND to be a mask clad hero, BECAUSE IT SELLS !!!
while his real self is far from it
a fact that is demonstrated repeatedly throughout the story
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What's your point? As noted above, most politicians are a far cry from their idealized personae, but this does not change the fact that they do make an effort to make good on the promises they have made, and this is no less true for Lelouch.