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Originally Posted by Frenchie
How is that different to Reiatsu, or Haki, or Ki? There's no way to properly quantify these things and they are mentioned when relevant.
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-Chakra is an energy source that's been around pretty much since day one. It was well established that ninjas are only able to perform ninjutsu and genjutsu by tapping into and using their chakra reserves. When their tank is on empty, they're pretty much fucked.
-Haki only came into play relatively recently in One Piece and it's never been tied to a person's ability to fight. Not everyone has Haki. Those who have and can manipulate Haki tend to have a distinct advantage over those who don't, but it's never been a necessity. Luffy was doing quite well for a while without it.
-Ki, from what I can remember, is pretty much the same as chakra. You need to be able to fly and shoot energy beams and all that stuff, but the difference is that Toriyama was mostly fair about it. Also, Ki wasn't implemented into summons, genjutsus, and eyeball powers.
-Reiatsu I'm not even gonna touch on, cause it's an even bigger mess than Chakra.
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It takes a whole lot of reiatsu for a 12 year old Naruto to pull off his first summon, but for the post-time skip heroes, that's like a walk in the park. I wouldn't write off the regenerative power of the white snake that Kabuto has as trivial, either.
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Got no problem with older Naruto pulling off larger summons (what was that? B-rank? A-rank?). What I do have a problem with are extremely powerful S-rank jutsus, which were established to be quite taxing even for the most experienced ninjas, being pulled off with seemingly no consequences whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Hunter
More simply put, you were wrong but can't bare to aknowledge it because you are complaining for the sake of complaining more than anything else.
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Motoi's dad and the other guy are two different characters. There. I was wrong. I admit it. And it was very foolish of me to confuse the guy whose hair looks very similar to Motoi's with the guy who got one panel of screen time.
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There has never been any real rule or limitation to chakra and jutsu save for the fancy of the author.
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And you honestly see no problem with that?
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The manga started with a teenager creating a thousand of clone out of thin air, that was soon followed by people moving hundreds of tons of water with their mind, then teleporting through glasses made of magical ice and summoning building-sized talking creatures as a matter of course.
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Those examples are all from part one. You know, when Naruto was good, and the energy and power balance was relatively fair. Also, those examples were used by relatively powerful ninja, and Naruto when he was tapping into the Kyuubi's power.
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The Shounen genre isn't big on realism, particulary not when energy and power level are concerned.
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It all depends on how well the author manages the story. There are many other series that have been fair about power levels and energy.
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Ninja in Naruto have always been battle-wizard, in fact Kishimoto originally thought about making a story about wizard before Harry Potter got big and it was decided that Naruto would be about ninja instead.
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Yeah, because ninjas and wizards are SO totally the same thing.
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Besides the universe of One Pieces doesn't make any kind of sense either as far as power is concerned, I doubt you'd manage to explain how eating a magic fruit can allow Enel to create gigantic lighting strikes. Or how a few hundreds puch-ups under X gravity gives some people the power to blast planets for that matters. It's just the way it is.
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I don't care what kind of rules a fantasy world sets up. Characters can get their power from chakra, ki, magic fruits or magic toenails for all I care. What pisses me off is when the author starts contradicting the rules he/she has set up without any sort of explanation.
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Originally Posted by Rurik
Sorry for the OT.
One Piece is the same, when it comes to certain fantastical things that happens the author tries to apply real world science to explain it (Like Luffy gears, Nami Clima weapon, Etc) the only thing that seems to have a complete magical nature are the Devil Fruits themselves, the power they give are all based and limited to real world rules (Rubber not conducting energy, Lava been stronger than Fire, etc) ,
All the shonnen manga I have read always uses real life science to explain most of the stuff that goes on in their universe.
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Yeah, because Nami's Clima Tact could totally be useable in real life.
"Of course! Don't you know anything about science?"
One Piece uses what I like to call "exaggerated physics." Oda takes certain laws of physics from the real world and, with some creative liberties, applies them to the fantasy world of One Piece. Though the Clima Tact would never work in real life, it does establish basis for how it works, which is somewhat familiar to our own universe.
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Originally Posted by Rurik
Why some people might feel irritated on some stuff that Happens in Naruto (aside from the Sharigan)? is the misconception on Chakra depletion, Chakra been completed depleted in a Ninja is just a plot devise to create suspense, or to create a limit that is bound to be broken in future. It is not intended so we can put a finger on to why X thing happening is not possible.
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That is literally one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. When your tank is running on empty it doesn't just magically fill up with gas just because you want it to. A ninja using a high-level jutsu when they're low on chakra makes no sense and is a total contradiction to the rules.