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Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

Setsuna and his flag Facepalms at this

Setsuna in the flag will still rape you, it was only done to further show the " Purebreed Innovator power " imo

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Have you simply forgotten how awesome Kira was during the desert battle in SEED just using the Strike? How he was so creative using the Strike? The Strike Gundam was useless on the desert - it was the BuCUES turf. Kira, being the genius programmer that he is, just adjusted the Strike's OS on the fly so that it could be able to fight against them fair and square. Kira even used the Strike Gundam underwater just to get at the ZAFT MS attacking the Archangel from underwater before they arrived at Orb (after the desert arc). You HAVE to consider the fact that the Strike has no underwater capabilities as a suit - Kira was just really pushing it to its limits, and he wasn't really scared to push this suit to its limits even if he had these ZAFT MS surrounding them.

Give and take a few years, the Strike WAS outdated, but it didn't necessarily mean that the suit was useless against them. Strike WAS his suit before it was the Strike Rouge. Where has all this creativity gone? Strike proved capable enough to be able to sortie and fight in space, and this was before he was even more familiar with how it's used.

To also get at that outdated suit excuse, remember Athrun held off a Gundam during the Armory One incident with a ZAKU. A FREAKING ZAKU.

Also, just to add to aeriolewinters' post, Graham Aker and Sergei Smirnov also facepalm at this travesty.

Kira was pushing the Strike to it's limits indeed, and you have to realize that that was during episode 20-30 in Seed, when the Strike was pretty much 1 month? tops off the assembly line, the Strike isnt such a good Mobile suit

Not to mention the Zaku and Gouf's already have better specs, movement and hell weapons than the strike, they win in everything except the PS armor, which they outdo in a longer operation span due to the E-caps, and not to mention they are all beam weapons except for the Wizard strike pack, the Zaku/Gouf has the Strike beat in every possible feat.

Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

Amuro's RX-78 vs Rick Doms and Goufs

UC and CE is different, so lets disregard that.

Originally Posted by Eidolon Sniper

Strike Gundam couldn't even STAND properly on the sand when Kira first launched. PS Armor is one thing, but how would Kira be able to fight off the BuCUES just on PS Armor alone? He needed to be able to fight against them, not just allowing himself to be hit there like those standing targets in a shooting range. Kira adjusted the OS so that he can fight against those BuCUES properly to be able to survive that battle as well.

Trying to get to the Eternal in one piece is just as important. Excuses like that don't really cut it. There are other things to consider too - Andrew was also busy trying to hold off other enemies and Kira makes a mess in Strike. Andrew already has a lot to look out for protecting the Eternal by himself, and he still has to look after Kira's back? Some ace pilot Kira is. He's lucky the Eternal isn't swarmed by a hundred of those things or else he's already dead even before he gets to the Eternal.

Doubt it, 30 vs 100 in CE isnt that much of a deal, once Kira launches in the Strike Freedom, they would've been Plot-exploded anyways, hell, we might've even seen pilots being " oh fuck this /selfdestruct " if that happened

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

And let's not forget that Andrew is doing that well in a mobile suit that is not designed for combat in open space, with the severe handicap of missing an eye. And he was doing just as well, if not better, than Kira, who is a better pilot in a familiar machine he'd pulled off miracles with, and that was designed for space combat.

Yeah, he was doing somewhat better (Still struggling) in a new generation
mobile suit, the Gaia was a very fine machine, too bad Stellar didn't really do much in it except running around like a dog, from what we've been show it functions fine in space, just like the Abyss

Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Matters little--GN-XIII had beam weaponry, Flag had beam weaponry. GOUF had beam weaponry, Strike Rouge had beam weaponry. There isn't much in the way of tech difference here to really matter.

Though if you want to get really technical, Setsuna was still able to destroy a GN-XIII with a non GN-particle weapon in that fight. Which is only going to make Kira look even worse in comparison.

The GN-XIII's was taken by surprise, got hit by a Smoke screen, and picked off by one of the pureblood innovators Not to mention the Flag was equipped with GN-Tech. its like calling the Strike-E a regular Strike, the flag has a " Setsuna custom " to it aswell