[Soaring Griffin]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

The Orb Fleet was attacking the Minerva. They dug their own grave, Shinn was merely protecting his allies and friends from HOSTILE ENEMIES that REFUSED to relent no matter what and only left after Shinn kicked their asses yet again.

Most of the Orb soldiers didn't want to be there but had to because it was their job and Yuna thought it was a good idea to help the the EA. Saying that it's their own fault and Kira should just let his countrymen die like that, I'm sorry is beyond stupid.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

While Kira, being the self-righteous moron he was in Destiny, decided that the Minerva were aggressors too(Hence is illogical arguments against Athrun and the fact that he was only there because Cagalli was crying) and were just as bad as the Feds and Orb forces despite the fact that the Minerva wasn't trying to get into battles and was only defending themselves for the most part at that point.

Kira's speech wasn't about the Minerva being the aggressors, it was about the fact the Orb was in a battle that they shouldn't have been in and that was what Cagalli was trying to prevent. Also Kira attacked Minerva at the same time so they would kill Orb soldiers.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Don't even compare what 00 did to what Kira did. At least they had a plan other than "Let's randomly cruise around and attacked everyone no matter the battle just because we can with no real en game in mind". Especially when 00 started with them just evening out the sides and mostly just attcked the aggressors unless t he defenders gave chase after the attacking force was dealt with. Kira though was more than content pummeling both forces instead of just taking out the attacking force first and only attacking the defending force if they become the aggressors.

Thing is Kira and co. weren't trying to be celestial being, they were just trying to keep the Orb fleet from fighting in a battle they shouldn't have been in and being destroyed.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

That's just one of the MANY differences as to why 00 handled it far better than Kira. Furthermore Kira was dumbfounded and shocked that no one would listen to an outsider and that they treated him as an unwanted enemy force which he was. At least the 00 cast knew the world would hate them for doing such things but they didn't care nor were they shocked when everyone ganged up on them. They also had a real plan unlike Kira.

Again it was only in the one game that Kira would randomly intervene and shout stop fighting.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

And no, he didn't want to fight initially at all, he was only there because he wanted Cagalli to stop crying(Hell he even supported Cagalli despite Athrun being more than justfied in his rage that she almost got married without even telling him).

Athrun knew that Cagalli was engaged to Yuna before that.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

He thought that he had he yelled loud enough and brought Cagalli, whom he stole away illegally, that strangers would listen to him.It's only after that failed that he threw his whole wanting to stop the fighting thing out the window and started attacking EVERYONE and even got those like Heine killed.

Kira didn't shout anything during those battles, and actually it was Cagalli's idea to intervene and tell the Orb forcees to "stop fighting" and go home, but when that didn't work Kira decided that instead of watching the blood bath he would try to lower the number of casualties.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Kira, like Athrun, had no idea what he wanted. At least Athrun tried to work with the system while Kira just kept trying whatever he could to work against everyone so that his way was the only way in the end.

You've gravly miss understood Kira's intent during the show.

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Not once did Kira even try to understand any of the forces or to see how the Destiny plan would work. As soon as Durandal revealed it and that it was woring on mars Kira immediately reached the conclusion that Durandal must die because he actually had a decent solution to ending all fighting. While the only thing Kira had was "Keep everything the same, we'll just fight anyone that acts up or tries to change things".

I'm sorry but a genetic determinism society is not a good idea when it violates peoples right to choose and Durandal didn't say anything about it working on mars. I've also read part part of the Delta astray manga and it said the mars colony implemented it to make colonization easier, so it would make Durandal kind of an idiot to think it would end all wars on earth.