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DonQuigleone · 2012-09-16, 09:15

If anything, Haredi Jews are crazier then muslims. They're certainly a lot more sexist.

Anyway, I think it's wrong to single out Islam as a particularly violent religion, there are many muslim countries that are not particularly violent at all (Malaysia and Indonesia come to mind, though there are a few incidents).

Islam is not the only violent religion in existence. Even Buddhism has been behind a lot of religious violence. Almost every major insurrection in China has been driven by Buddhist cults like the White Lotus, and in Japan there was also the Ikko-Ikki. And while people seem to have warm fuzzy feelings towards the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism, before the communist takeover that country was positively feudal.

Also, if we describe a religion as being a particular type of worldview, then I think you'll find that most Christians and Jews are no longer really Christian or Jewish anymore, most of them would ascribe to world views like "liberalism" "conservatism" and "socialism". And of course, these secular world views have had their fair share of killing. Liberalism had Robespierre and the French revolutionary wars. Socialism (or more particularly Communism, it's extreme cousin) has a rich history of oppression and mass murder, and as for conservatism, almost every dictator in existence has been ostensibly been a conservative.

The only people left whose world views are dominated by Christianity and Judaism (people like the Haredi, or Westboro baptist church), are just as bad as radical Islam in terms of violence and prickliness.

And of course we're ignoring the elephant in room here, Nationalism, which has been responsible for more deaths and genocides in the last 200 years then any other political ideology.

So perhaps you think it's a degenerate sign that Muslims will kill and riot over insults to the prophet, but how about the fact that many people in the USA think flag burning should be an arrestable offence? I don't really see much difference here, in either case people are being arrested over insults to symbols.

And of course, look at what's going on in China right now with rioters destroying Japanese businesses? I don't see how this is any different from what's going on in the Middle East. In this case, the Chinese are being motivated by the most violent religion of all, Nationalism, which the CCP has gone to great lengths to encourage in their citizenry.

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DonQuigleone Knight Errant Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dublin, Ireland Age: 35	If anything, Haredi Jews are crazier then muslims. They're certainly a lot more sexist. Anyway, I think it's wrong to single out Islam as a particularly violent religion, there are many muslim countries that are not particularly violent at all (Malaysia and Indonesia come to mind, though there are a few incidents). Islam is not the only violent religion in existence. Even Buddhism has been behind a lot of religious violence. Almost every major insurrection in China has been driven by Buddhist cults like the White Lotus, and in Japan there was also the Ikko-Ikki. And while people seem to have warm fuzzy feelings towards the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism, before the communist takeover that country was positively feudal. Also, if we describe a religion as being a particular type of worldview, then I think you'll find that most Christians and Jews are no longer really Christian or Jewish anymore, most of them would ascribe to world views like "liberalism" "conservatism" and "socialism". And of course, these secular world views have had their fair share of killing. Liberalism had Robespierre and the French revolutionary wars. Socialism (or more particularly Communism, it's extreme cousin) has a rich history of oppression and mass murder, and as for conservatism, almost every dictator in existence has been ostensibly been a conservative. The only people left whose world views are dominated by Christianity and Judaism (people like the Haredi, or Westboro baptist church), are just as bad as radical Islam in terms of violence and prickliness. And of course we're ignoring the elephant in room here, Nationalism, which has been responsible for more deaths and genocides in the last 200 years then any other political ideology. So perhaps you think it's a degenerate sign that Muslims will kill and riot over insults to the prophet, but how about the fact that many people in the USA think flag burning should be an arrestable offence? I don't really see much difference here, in either case people are being arrested over insults to symbols. And of course, look at what's going on in China right now with rioters destroying Japanese businesses? I don't see how this is any different from what's going on in the Middle East. In this case, the Chinese are being motivated by the most violent religion of all, Nationalism, which the CCP has gone to great lengths to encourage in their citizenry.