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Old 2010-05-05, 22:24   Link #385
Ice Block
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Firstly, Jarmel, you need to throw out your preconceptions regarding what angels, death or whatnot is like. This is a fictional story in a fictional setting, involving fictional beings thrust into fictional situations. The author clearly does not define the afterlife as a merry, jolly, no-sickness and no-need-to-eat heaven. Open your mind a bit. Angels are fictional beings. In entertainment media, for example, their definition may range from loyal winged servants of god, to AT-Field producing harbingers of destruction, statue-like beings that kick you back in time or break your neck when you're not looking, self-conscious beings made purely of AIM, or cute lolis that go pi-piru-piru-piru-pi-piru-pi while randomly bashing your head out.
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There hasn't been any evidence against the idea that the teachers or principal know more than they let on. We haven't seen any attempts though to even ask the teachers what they know.
This can be applied to every character. Give me better proof. Additionally, the principal's lines do not imply feigned ignorance.

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I was talking about the prequel. At the end of episode 3, the truth was slapped in her face. Considering the fact that them showing up to the tests wasn't that big of a deal hints that they've probably been going to class in the mean time.
No. Figuring out that Kanade develops her own powers does not automatically make her human. This is the kind of hasty conclusion-making that we want to avoid. And did you miss the fact that the SSS has its own special class? They wear the Class 3S uniform, which is different from the normal school uniform. Watch Ep01 again, Yuri explains it.

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She's had evidence in the prequels refuting her hypothesis but she still figures it was sound enough to base a rebellion on.
Like what you presented below?
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1.The fact that Tenshi acting surprised that they think there is a link between her and God
2.Tenshi not taking aggressive action even in the prequels to maintain control
3.Tenshi's room being similar to that of a regular person
4.Tenshi not exhibiting any sort of divine or all knowing knowledge
The only thing in support of her being angel is the supernatural abilities in a world full of dead people where they can MAKE GUNS OUT OF MUD. Tenshi has never stated or implied that she was on a higher level of existence.
  1. Everyone acts like this. Her secretive behavior doesn't help either.
  2. Did you miss what happened with Chaa?
  3. Then the question is, why would she not? Is there a rule that states that angels should have special room layouts and decor?
  4. This is the only valid evidence you have provided. As sysadmin, she should not have any blind spots, and the NPCs should not oppose her. However, this does not address the possibility of her role as being that world's police.
Now, allow me to show you, from Yuri/Hinata's POV, the evidence that suggests that Kanade is above the NPCs (note that I am merely pointing out the character's views, NOT what they really are from an outside observer's perspective):
  1. She knows which class newcomers belong to, and guides them to their respective classrooms almost immediately upon recovering consciousness (upon arrival).
  2. "The unreasonable people in this world who have focused on the principal because they think the principal is the highest position. However, they are wrong, in this world, the principal is of little consequence. As this error has continued to propagate, I must correct it."
  3. Hand Sonic, and other guard skills. The technology difference is like Terran vs Protoss. She can summon and dismiss them at will, and near-instantaneously. Manual gun creation takes time, and relies on memory and technical knowledge regarding the gun's mechanisms. Her guard skills are not limited to the crude methods stated above.
  4. She opposes them every time they do something that does not conform to school regulations.
The fact that Kanade never takes the time to clarify their misunderstandings doesn't help either.

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It seems you are thinking in the same manner they are. Black and white when there are dead obvious alternatives. Again they never have had to fight Tenshi to avoid disappearance. Yurippe wanted an enemy or someone to fight because of her past life and her regrets. In episode 1, Yurripe stated that pretending to follow the rules would cause disappearance too leaving her to the mindset that either it's fight or disappear when the alternative has always been peaceful rebellion. This is confirmed by the Guild's presence in that they don't openly fight Tenshi but they still exist for whatever reason. Open conflict is not nor has never been a necessity to avoid disappearing.
Such as? And they were not actively trying to have a gunfight with her in the past. They employed firearms only to protect the integrity of their operations. They only started becoming more offensive lately because underground Guild had been demolished, depriving them of their main source of mass-produced firearms.

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When the person isn't going to give you the information and you can't get the information from them then it does become idiotic. They even fully admit that they can't beat Tenshi in the Guild episode and all they can do is stall her. So why instead of wasting their time fighting a war they know they can't win, don't they use those resources into a science section dedicated to finding out where they are or even an intelligence division.
Because they're not scientists? And who's to say they haven't done all they could already? They discovered Underground Guild. They figured out a way to get free meal tickets (without relying on funds from the school) without being labeled as thieves. They got a handful of computers and radio communication devices. How many high-schoolers know programming language? Among their group, only Christ has that potential. And, it seems he's still a relatively new recruit (relative to the core group).
Spoiler for Track Zero / Core SSS members:

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No that's my main point. They've been there for months or years and they still don't have any long term plans, don't know their enemies names, or even about the world around them. Let's try to avoid assumptions especially ones that aren't even slightly implied in the works. There is a difference between inferences and assumptions. The characters(other than Christ) act as if they haven't heard of technology. I mean all they've done it seems was try and hack Tenshi's computer. We haven't seen them mention the lack of internet, shopping, or pretty much anything hinting at a larger world. It's poor writing.
To lure out God, or find out if he exists or not. Not as important if a label does the job just as well. They do, just not as much as Kanade. See above, and the novel thread for details.

Such as? Point them out clearly. And why would there be a shopping mall in a school? Why would there be an internet connection when there is no ISP and WWW to connect to? It is heavily implied that the school is isolated, and there is nothing beyond the forest. You can get this from even just Chapter 1 of the prequel. Read it again. And please, take that excuse somewhere else.
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