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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Argentina
Age: 39
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Mm. Great post. Like usual really, heh.
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Originally Posted by relentlessflame
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Yeah, but, pay attention to what D.C.S.S. itself says about that. Aisia wasn't wrong to wish for everyone's happiness, and she didn't find Nemu to be deserving either, but you can't undo the past. That's the harsh medicine that both you and Aisia have to face. Even though the Nemu & Junichi melodrama is corny (and I think that's exactly the point - it's not because they're incapable of doing otherwise), it's the truth. Nemu never was the most perfect or more deserving of the girls by any stretch. She was (and is) a jealous, posessive, vengeful "little sister" type of character. Second Season made no effort whatsoever to "redeem" her character, because that was precisely the point. She didn't have to be redeemed, and you don't have to feel anything for her anymore. The only thing that made her deserving is because Junichi has always loved her, and that alone is enough. You wanted them to focus more on the aftermath, but how can they when the girls still hadn't accepted the truth (and, I would argue, neither have you)? Don't you see the irony here? I realize, of course, it's a show, but I don't believe the parallels between the fans and the characters in the story are by accident.
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Now of course, I'd fully expect you to say "I know that already - they didn't have to rub it in". But that's exactly what they're doing, and it's because you're trying to brush it off just as the girls were trying to do at the start of this season. (You're basically saying "We already know Junichi and Nemu are together - can we talk about something else already?") I would suggest that maybe the reason for your mixed feelings about the end is because, as you said, "Life's harsh", and that's not somethat that you, as a viewer, want to be told either. Don't get me wrong - if I'm using you as an example, it's only because I think you're capable of understanding what I'm trying to say without overreacting and becoming defensive. Like the show, it's simply something to think about. You have mixed feelings about the ending because you think it's unfair, and that's precisely the point of the ending afterall. The fact that you don't feel any sympathy for Nemu is also part of the point they're trying to drive home. So, by hating the ending, you're also, by extension, "getting" it (so long as you don't throw the baby out with the bath water  ). Love isn't always pretty or poetic, but denying it is being selfish. A very unusual twist in a love story, but also very poignant.
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Oh please, don't worry about that. You're a civil and reasonable person and there's no problem with you drawing those parallels. It is the feeling it gave me after all. Indeed, it's well done, the message got through, but like you said, it's unfair, and it's sad. And I can really relate to the characters, in fact, I think we all can - everyone goes through happy moments in their lives, but also sad moments, and anyone who has both been happy and has suffered because of love can really understand it.
So I'm not arguing about the quality of the show at all, nope. It is good and if we can forget about all the magic it's quite realistic as well (well, except for someone like Jyunichi being popular, but hey  ). I'm just saying that it was touching and sad, and it doesn't feel nice. In other words, if I went and watched something like KGnE, it'd probably really get to me. It's funny when fictional things can actually move you, but I guess that speaks volumes of the quality of the things that can do that, especially since I'm the type who never cried when Bambi's mother died and things like that, hah...
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Edit: You may get the false impression that I'm trying to say you're wrong and, on a personal level I don't think so at all. In fact, I'm not even sure what to think on a personal level anymore. What I'm trying to point out, though, is the irony of the show's message and how that ties in to your opinion of the ending. So, again, please don't think that I'm saying "you're wrong!" or anything like that - on a personal level, I think I actually agree with you in a lot of ways. But, recognizing what the show seems to be trying to say is a frustrating, yet interesting irony. It puts things in a different perspective, and that's why I'm sharing it. I hope that makes at least some amount of sense, and that you don't think I've totally lost it...
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Of course. I think you also care about the characters and their happiness. The thing we probably disagree about is how you feel about Nemu and how I feel about her on the other hand, but otherwise on a personal level I think we both care for everyone else.
And, stop excusing yourself and apologizing already . I don't think you've lost it at all. You certainly make a lot of sense and your analysis of the show probably helped me understand it a lot better.
Basically, it depends on the point of view. Looking at it from the outside and at the bigger scheme of things, it's a really well told story with a powerful message. On the other hand, from a personal point of view, and getting more involved in the story, you feel sad for the characters and hope that they'll be able to find happiness.
Of course - maybe I'm still habouring false hope like everyone else in the show, but I still think that the last episode might show everyone starting to move on. Aaand I haven't lost all hope for a nice, quick epilogue either, especially considering there will be DCII and all.
Now now, I just hope my broken English was understandable enough.
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