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Originally Posted by Bonzo
Yes, but In 30 seconds, Ougi said, zero used and betrayed us because he told lies to us.
So, zero becomed the enemy and then, Ougi, declaring war against lelouch made a right and honorable act (in the japan mantality).
For this I say japanese ideas about justice & co are very different, so, Cornelia was a bitch, but at last she's against lelouch, then a black knight ally, all okay, for them.
However, I assure you, we can't understand japan people, they're too much different by us, like ideas, mentality, character, etc....
Like they don't know nothing about europe or united states life style.
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Ohgi and the others pulled the exact same act: not just against Lelouch, but also the UFN, in selling out to Schneizel. By that logic, they should have committed seppuku. Heck, there's a fanfic where Chiba
does attempt seppuku.
Cornelia was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too Easily Forgiven.
As for the Black Knights, they were a bunch of myopic Designated Heroes who lacked integrity.
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Originally Posted by faiz blaster
This really isn't the place to talk about this, but I'll go ahead and try to explain one last time: Zero Requiem was a fitting end FOR LELOUCH HIMSELF.
Did he deserved to die? Maybe not.
But he also was no saint. For the sake of his own goals, he used people, deceived them, sacrificed their lives at his own discretion… in short, committed all sorts of evil acts. This is something that he himself recognized and tried to address somehow.
Having lost his sister and after finally settling the scores with his father, Lelouch no longer had lingering attachments to this world. With no other objective in life, he tried to make some sort of atonement for his sins. The method chosen was the Zero Requiem: to become a villain that everyone would hate and then die so that all past conflicts and resentments could be settled - buying a chance for peace in the future. He wavered when he discovered that Nunnally was still alive, but ultimately sticked to his decision due believing it was the right thing to do.
Arguably, that was not the best solution. Maybe there were better ways to resolve things in the eyes of the world. But it was nevertheless the best FOR LELOUCH HIMSELF. After committing many sins and causing suffering for many, in the end he put all his efforts into making amends and was finally allowed to die with the satisfaction that the world - along with everything that he held dear - had the chance to move towards a better future.
If that is not redemption, I don't know what is.
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What he did during the rebellion was less evil and destructive than the Zero Requiem, and therein lies the irony of it all. While he was by no means innocent during the rebellion, at the very least Lelouch did a lot of stuff out of necessity, due to the tyrannical nature of Britannia. And he was able to set up a legitimate governing body in the UFN, finally setting up a legitimate challenge to Britannia for world liberation. With the Zero Requiem, Lelouch committed multiple assassinations of people who as C. C. notes, had a right to complain about their treatment, committed mass brainwashing of soldiers and used them as meat shields, blew up Mt. Fuji, likely depleting most of the world's most crucial energy supply, and in general, supposedly becoming the biggest tyrant in the world. And that's taking Charles and Schneizel into account. And unlike the rebellion, Lelouch had other options. This wasn't about redemption. He was killing more than he did then. This was about fulfilling a death wish following Nunnally's apparent demise, and the Black Knights' betrayal.