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Old 2009-09-04, 02:35   Link #89
Slayerx
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Are you kidding this is the WG we are talking about . They would have found out grap could not hide him forever .If ace join the marines you could have bet they would have found about him. The same way they found out when he was a pirate. And after he join them i can see them killing him saying look how pirates kill the pirate king son and use his death to help them.
Are you trying to tell me if he became strong and help the marines they would have not check his background.
Grap did not give ace a chance he hide him until he meet a certain age hoping if he made him a marine The WG would not kill him. But grap does not have say in the matter . Ace would live a life in hiding and that not really a life . Why because he was son of the pirate king.
the ONLY reason, the World Government even suspected that Ace was the son of Gold Roger was because of how quickly he rose as a pirate... why would the world government suspect that one of their marine's was the son of Gold Roger? When they look into his background and find that he has a mother but no record of who the father was, why would they even begin to suspect that a his father was gold roger, a man who died 2 years before his birth, when it's simpler to suspect that Rouge just had a secret relationship; possibly even an affair...

Hell, considering the marines did not know that Dragon was Garp's son, Garp could have lied and said Ace's father was his son and that his Son died in an accident... Considering we are talking about a Marine hero and his upstanding Marine grandson, do you really think the world gov't are gonna keep digging instead of just taking Garp's word for it? Afterall, they don't even suspect that roger COULD have had a son at this point, so they are hardly worried about that being a possibility... Frankly, the marines could easily be quick to conclude that all of Ace's strength was inherited from his grandfather

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^Actually, Garp has a large amount of sway in the Marines, and conceivably the WG. How else would he have not been executed already for having the most wanted criminal as a son, and a near infamous pirate grandson, not mention he helped raise the Pirate King's son. No, Garp has a massive amount of sway in the One Piece universe.
That was already answer in the manga when it was said he was a marine hero . When Sengoku told him if you were not a marine hero he would have. Then grap said well if you think killing a old timer like me going to matter go on ahead . Which means it make no sense kill a marine hero and cause trouble for the WG when they have nothing to gain from it. Not that he has any sway in the WG.
And here you end up pointing out how Ace COULD of escaped his fate by becoming a marine... Considering Ace's status within Whitebeard's forces, you could easily think that he would have risen quickly within the marines... Hell he might be a rear or Vice Admiral by now if he had follow the marine path... and when you move that quickly through the ranks you are bound to acquire a great reputation... Ace would essentially be a rising hero, one that people say will one day become a great admiral and may even one day be given the seat of Sen Goku

Now, putting aside what i said before, let's assume the marines DID find out who Ace's father was... what then? Think about Garp... he is a marine hero, and this has allowed him to get away with actions that a lesser man would have been discharged for (if not worse)... His status offers him some protection...

How would the world gov't react to the knowledge that their rising hero, the man people call the next sen goku, is the son of Gold Roger? How would the citizen's react to the news?

It would be a PR nightmare... First, the fact that you allowed such infamous blood into the marines in the first place, makes the world gov't look incompetent... Second, Ace is a strong marine and is good with dealing with many pirates and brining them to justice; getting rid of him would mean loosing a great marine weapon... Third, if you moved to execute him, there would be many citizens who look upon Ace's lifetime fighting for good, a life free of crime and sin, and thus would start to question whether or not it is right to end his life based on NOTHING more than the fact that he was Gold Roger's son... not only does the Gov't look incompetent, but they also start to look like tyrants (a correct image that they try to avoid)... The revolutionary groups would have a field day if the world gov't moved to execute Ace

So consider the costs vs benefits... what's the best way for a corrupt gov't to act?... A cover up... Erase all evidence of Ace's true origins so that no one else could find out, and act like nothing is amiss... Might even want to go as far as to tell Ace they know just so they can tell him to make sure he doesn't tell anyone himself; explain it to him in a way that he can understand... As far as the public knows, Gold Roger had no heir and the world gov't wiped out his bloodline long ago... Like you said "no sense kill a marine hero and cause trouble for the WG when they have nothing to gain from it."

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And if your asking your self how grap can hold a double standard the answer is easy he only human.
And what i'm saying is that Garp is better than that... his humanity is why he is in mourning and having difficulty with the situation... but i see him as a true man of justice with fierce integrity... i can respect his character for this
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