2011-01-16, 18:22
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Originally Posted by RES-01 Perses Gundam
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Hehe, I can see you really need to brush up on your UC history.
The Feds only committed murder AFTER the Zeon started the OYW - except this was only recently reconned in Unicorn, it wasn't in the official Tomino OYW time line, and even then, you can't hardly blame the Fed soldiers when the Zeon's just dropped a couple of colonies on Earth and wiped out half the human civilian population which made everyone looked at Zeon as cold-blooded monsters that aren't worthy of being human beings. If you mean the Titans who did the gasing, again the Titans by that time in Zeta were a splinter group of elite Feds soldiers consisting of fanatics whom had absolute self-regulating power without the need to consult the Fed, basically they didn't take orders from the Feds thus they were not representative of the Feds, unlike the top Zeon powers whom are nearly always psychos out to, well, commit genocide on Earth.
Also the Feds weren't ready for the war, they weren't expecting it, the reason the Zabi Zeon got a jump on them was preciously because they weren't expecting the war, the Feds were so confident on their troop powers they didn't think the Zeon's would be stupid enough to declare war!
As for the Gryps Conflict, again that was the Titans' doing when it went rouge, which by the end the Feds condemned them and supported the AEUG's handling of it. True the Feds were slow in handling the rouge Titans and did a really poor job of it, but in the end they did do the right thing. Your Zeta background looks pretty rusty here, you have to remember the Titan's were given self-regulating power that doesn't take orders from the top of the Fed as well as a higher chain of command over normal Federation military. It's easy to forget that if you go just with shows like 0083 which could easily make you think that the Fed's itself *became* the Titans when they show all the people involved in that conflict wearing the Titans uniform at the end.
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Originally Posted by KrimzonStriker
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The original constitution held in Laplace's Box was a clause that gives Spacenoids a right to vote in representatives to participate in the Federation's political system and represent themselves, not give them the right to independence and exists as separate entities from the Federation, so in essences given the original constitution they could operate more as states. The ending of Unicorn was left obscure as to what exactly happened after disclose of the content of the box, but it's safe to say that instead of a massive radical independence movement as wanted by the Neo-Zeon's/Sleeves, things certainly didn't went that far/revolutionary/bloody, or things could even remained more or less the same. The thing is no matter how good of a governing system you put in, there would always be someone who aren't going to be happy. You can't look at a couple of fringe cases like Hathaway and the Ronah family (FWIW the scale of the conflict in F91 was tiny) and say that they represent the masses of the Spacenoids. For all that Unicorn/Hathway's Flash/F91 told us is that what happened in Unicorn didn't lead to a massive, abrupt independence movement on the part of the colonies even given the truth was revealed. And like someone point out above, it wasn't until Victory that the landscape seems to have changed drastically and that is a good half a century/60 years after Unicorn. So there is no contradiction, the majority of the people really didn't seem to care after what happened in Unicorn, or rather the majority wanted peaceful resolution rather than conflict and/or true independence.
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