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Originally Posted by willyvereb
But his obviously better than Archer's as he was disarmed 15 times in mere seconds by Lancer...somone who should be inferior in weapon mastery compared to Saber. While Saber had much more difficulties at disarming Gil at Ryoudo Temple. She did it abot 3 times at maximum in a multi-minute-long fight. And if Shirou's enchanced and well-experienced version is so inferior in terms of weapon skill then you can imagine how many chances Shirou should have realistically speaking.
And Ciel IS using reinforcements...or otherwise she shouldn't be able to be that fast. It is simple a rough fact of realism. If there's a way to make someone by pure capabilities and training to almost mach Dead Apostoles then the olimpic records should be much muhc more better, like achieving 100m dash under 3 seconds and else...which of course won't happen as there are certain limits of humans. So Ciel SHOULD use reinforcements and quite excellent ones. And it also has a quite explanation as she inherited the magical knownledge of Roa.
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1) You can think whatever you want about Ciel, the fact remains that she has this physical abilities WHITOUT using magic to enchance them. (Roa said it himself that he wasn't feeling any magic activity from Ciel). 2) This is just a story so you shouldn't be suprised that there are "normal" people who can achieve seemingly unpossible feets.