[NightGale]

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

1. HR and IB are also defined as "The Right Hand That Creates All Miracles" and "The Right Hand That Destroys All Miracles", respectively.

Those are quite grandiose titles that could be interpreted in many ways, i mean apart from defeating any enemy it recognizes, the HR hasn´t really done anything miraculous... allowing a human to use angelic spells may be considered as such, but think about it... they were only the "necessary" weapons to destroy his enemies, if that´s the case a power(IB) that´s capable of matching a negating the HR, would also be a "Creator of Miracles" since in principle it´s doing the same, is just that it only affects things that are mystical or supernatural in nature and in this specialty even exceeds HR, while HR looking for "versatility", can match any nature of power while being weaker than IB in a pure mystical battle.

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

2. Both of them, ironically, have been stated to be infantile. HR can't be used at full power baring special circumstance, and IB hasn't spread to Touma's entire body yet. For HR, at least, it shouldn't matter whether they've been lost to human history. HR is a divine power, so it's probably still capable of such feats. Fiamma himself either doesn't know about them or doesn't know how to unlock them.

It is said that a certain level of "skills" are passed down on the genes from parents to children, and that is what we call "talented people"; but, even if you have a talent for something if you never had tried you can´t know you have it, therefore it´s impossible to use it, and when you yourself have children, they may also inherit that talent, but since it weakened in you(since you yourself didn´t used it), it may only be at the level of "good at something". You may argue that since they are divine in nature(at least HR), they may never completely died out, but we and Fiamma of course, can´t be sure since he has never used them nor does he know of their existence.

Originally Posted by Flere821

About the Michael and Lucifer thing, the 'Right Seat' is merely symbolism IIRC in ToaruVerse. Seen as the equal of the person who you are sitting on the right side of, but not necessarily EXACTLY equal. So even if Michael defeated Lucifer, there could still be a gap between Michael and God.

Which is exactly what i mean when i said that maybe the full extent of IB power was something like "Administrative Rights" in computers(Let´s set aside the fact that a human brain is still the most powerful processor in existence...), this "power" in a computer world, gives you the ability to "negate" and "manipulate", every "rule" set by the "former/creator god"(the PC in this example); so, even without being capable enough of reproducing those rules from scratch(not many people can boost of being able to do a 10 digit calculation in a few seconds mentally...), it would make you equal if not more powerful than the "original god". HR is more like the ultimate antivirus capable of erasing whatever threat it deems as such.

Originally Posted by Kuroi Hadou

But if that were the case, then why would God allow a being inferior to him (Michael) to sit to his right, rather than an actual equal (Son of God)?

Exactly what i mean,xD. They may not truly have the same power, but at the very least Michael must have a sword or a shield, that can help him match his creator.

Originally Posted by shmaster

What power of Holy Right posses is a completely different matter from whether Fiamma is a proper host to unleash its power.
Also, it was never an assumption on whether Fiamma has enough power to save the world and become the Son of God. Whether Fiamma is aware of the amount of the power he possses is another matter.
Aleister himself has confirmed that Fiamma has the power and methodology in achieving his goal. The only problem is that he applied his power and methods under the Aeon of Osiris that lead to his failure.
The quality of Holy Right's power is indisputable, what we should discuss is whether such power has been applied by the right Aeon.
From Aleister's point of view, interpreting the Right Hand Power with Aeon of Osiris is a mistake in itself, thus making any Christian interpretation incorrect when applying it to Holy Right. And that is Fiamma's only mistake.

Which could also be interpreted as:
-The HR just like the IB, are not originally from the Aeon of Osiris(and Christianity for that matter).
-The HR is the pinnacle of the Aeon of Osiris and surpass it to the point of either writing its own rules or being controlled by another format of rules(Aeon of Horus), while still maintaining basic compatibility since it was originally created in the format of the Aeon of Osiris.
Since at the very least there is a level of compatibility where the knowledge of Index can provide it power it may be the latter(obviously this isn´t the case for IB, since Index can´t truly make anything of it with her wisdom).