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Old 2009-02-03, 05:33   Link #1907
arkhangelsk
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Originally Posted by AdmiralTigerclaw View Post
There is no comprable action in real life to measure. We don't/can't exactly go around determining how much mentle stamina it takes to focus a flashlight beam into a laser.
A flashlight beam can be focused into a point. You can filter it with a polarizing filter so it is polarized light, but it cannot be "focused" into a laser beam due to its lack of coherency.

However, overall it is less problematic to think of magic as a form of massive particle than massless energy. This brings up analogies of us knowing how much effort it takes to squeeze say a gas to many times atmospheric pressure (400 times, according to your requirement), and the increased requirements on containment.

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I think of it as a factor akin to a water pump.
All right.

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In thise case, Nanoha's linker core is a water pump connected to a hose. How much she can pump herself, plus external 'pressure' provided by a cartridge. I believe the only time the capability of the pump is a factor is during the pressurizing/charging phase of a spell.
Actually, this is probably not true. You can't have the canonically observed beam of war UNLESS substantial parts of the attack are not pumped out until after emission begins - there will be no force to push it along.

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In this case, the actual firing of the buster is not the straining point for Nanoha, it's the moments leading right up to it when she's building the charge. Once the energy is released, it's got nothing to do with her linker core, so the method of its release isn't a factor to strain.
Yes, the problem is when it is released.

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As for holding and containing that energy. Up until the actual point of firing, it has to be held SOMEWHERE. Either that fist sized sphere, or some kind of internal capacitor in RH. Either way, their peak energy per unit time in a specified space is not a problem.
If it is held in an internal capacitator, it is presumably pumped out of the capacitator through some kind of pipeline when emitted (not "fired", "fired" implies near-instantaneous release of some sort, which is not true for a beam). Please justify your idea that said pipelines will hold as peak pressures surges over the canonically shown amount due to your attempt to increase flow rate by more than an order of magnitude. Or why you think the pumps could even "move" the mana at ten times the current flow rate.

Similar is the ignored possibility of the capacitator being in Nanoha herself. It is entirely possible the "ball" you see outside is more a "formatter" than a "prepared energy (actually energetic particles) balloon" - raw mana gets pumped out of Nanoha, into the ball where it is converted and emitted. In which case the strain is all on pipes inside the body. Please explain also, in this scenario, why you think the formatting system might not be damaged as flow goes through it at 10 times the normal rate.

Finally, we'll assume the particle beam is all in the ball. Please justify why you think the ball can be induced to discharge its contents at 24 times the canonical rate.

In all three cases, please substantiate your belief that containment measures can be improved to deliver enough force to achieve a over two order (actually three if you count the fact you are discharging faster as well) of magnitude increase over canonically demonstrated energy density. Then justify why you think it will not fail (note that the two are slightly separate concepts). Remember that in your beam, you've shrunk volume by 400 times, but the surface area (load bearing area of the containment field) decreases far less, thus area for area the containment field is under much greater stress. Especially since Divine Buster sometimes detonates on impact (StrikerS Ep1 for example), implying volatility under increased pressure (mana volatility under excessive pressure might be a reason why Nanoverse bolts and beams are so darn slow, becuase high velocity emission will probably involve higher pressures), or at least failure of the containment field under such conditions. Please explain the measures you plan to take to ensure this volatility will not cause your new "improved" beambolt to explode before it reaches its target due to loss of containment field integrity, or substantiate your belief that a two order of magnitude pressure increase will not threaten the stability of the ammunition.

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On top of this, using a high density bolt with a quick burst discharge should actually be easier on Nanoha's body in terms of strain because she only has to build a peak charge 1/24th that of a full divine buster to achieve equal to superior results.
Even if we ignore all engineering issues in actualizing your new bolt (if you reduce the total energy by 24 times below the current limit, the engineering problems in maintaining the power should be minimal to none - that's why we have so many low energy bolts flying around Nanoverse), Power is not a substitute for Energy. It is more a means of making energy application more efficient by limiting opportunities for dissipation and the like. Power without Energy is little more than an interesting mathematical result. Thus, your idea will achieve far inferior results under most conditions.
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