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Old 2012-05-11, 11:20   Link #50
Ero-Senn1n
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they can avoid their effects only in a particular set of circumstances.
Which is also true for being able to use MS/EMS jutsu, first you need enough chakra and then you have to activate your MS/EMS eyes. Also if you overuse your eyes then you can't use them any more for some period of time or even go blind. For every existing jutsu there are some set of circumstances that are needed, so by your definition of "immunity" there is no ninja who has immunity against anything. Nobody is immune to a simple kunai, you just need to mess him up to a state where he can't use any of his special abilities. I was referring to this battle when i said "immunity", not to some hypothetical where Kabuto for some reason doesn't use his new abilities.

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Similarly Kabuto's eyes cap + Sage-sensing ability allow him to bypass eye contact which allow him to avoid sight-Genjutsu but since he's not immune to Genjutsu he's still susceptible to fall prey to mind control if the Uchiha brothers pull the rug out from under him.
The manga tells us about these "absolute defenses", but of course you can kill anyone with a simple kunai if you are able to destroy his defense with another jutsu, but that doesn't mean that he is not immune to a kunai in the sense that i used the word, which is to be (as the manga tells us) an "absolute defense". Kabuto in this battle is immune to sharingan genjutsu just as much as he is immune to a kunai, but that just means that Itachi has to remove or bypass his special eye caps with another jutsu and then use tsukiyomi or to beat him in a different way.

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That never was a plothole, Tobi could take on Kabuto but that would have taken a terrible token on his own forces.
Which means he was aware how strong Kabuto is, but Kabuto was not a sage but just as strong as he was previously then Tobi could have killed him before he can begin messing around with Edo-Tensei. We are talking about a guy who wants to wage war against the whole ninja world and then we see him being forced to make a deal one ordinary jounin level guy. It makes much more sense when we know that Kabuto is above kage level now. If it was not for the extremely unlikely event that Itachi managed to free himself from Kabuto's control then by now Kabuto probably would have captured both Naruto and Sasuke. And since Kabuto made the deal for Sasuke what would Tobi have to offer?

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And then what? With the 8 and 9 tails in his possession before the war started he would instantly become a target for Tobi and the Alliance before they weakened each others. As it is he's screwing them both until their respective fighting forces are more easily manageable.
Looking at the actual war i got the impression that Kabuto sacrificing all his Edo-Tensei ninja was a stupid thing, while he was wasting his powerful zombie army Tobi was just waiting for the opportunity to capture Naruto and Bee. If he completely stayed out of the war he could have used his Edo-Tensei army against whoever came after him. So he could have captured them on the Turtle-island and then ran away, the alliance was already looking for Tobi because the war was already started so Tobi was already weakened by that war. And Kabuto tried to capture Naruto and Bee anyway, using Nagato and Itachi at a time when he already lost a lot of his zombie army. I think the war weakened Kabuto more than Tobi. Kabuto is now an arrogant guy who thinks that he alone (without any of his zombies) is stronger than Itachi and Sasuke combined. Considering that, it's hard to believe that he is carefully plotting a situation where Madara and the alliance weaken each other.
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