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Old 2009-06-11, 22:29   Link #627
Sol Falling
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Originally Posted by morbosfist View Post
Just because the path led away from companionship doesn't mean he never loved. He just didn't embrace that love.
We can debate on that technicality, but I don't really see why it matters. Lelouch rejected love, so whether he felt it or not, love in and of itself would not have been enough to forge a relationship.

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Perhaps that was too general a comparison. Since you bring it up, Shirley was going to get Nunnally back? What would she do? She's not a pilot, not a soldier, not much of anything beyond a student. She wouldn't be helping in that regard. Reconciling with Suzaku, maybe, but he didn't seem too sold on the idea and she doesn't know enough, nor could she reveal enough, to make significant progress. However, since you don't want to argue that point, I'll leave it there.

Shirley defined her purpose as being the one thing true to Lelouch, but from her limited experience she knows nothing of C.C. or Kallen, both of whom know he is Zero. The "returning/granting his happiness" would involve getting Nunnally back, again something she'd not be much help in doing, and since he has others who know him just as well (arguably better), then her contribution in that regard wouldn't be as significant as she thought it was.
The first step towards returning Lelouch's happiness is getting him to believe in it himself. When you're talking about being 'true' to Lelouch, you have to make a distinction between Shirley, who wanted the best for him no matter his own feelings on the matter, and Kallen and C.C., who were true only in the sense that they would do what he wanted.

You are totally dragging this off-point. Shirley was someone who could have made love fit into Lelouch's life, in terms of his goals and motivations. Shirley's 'power' lies in her potential to change Lelouch's perspective, not the degree to which she can be 'useful' to him.

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Shirley only wanted to change Lelouch when she saw him as something he wasn't, and to a lesser extent by her desire to make him love her. C.C. and Kallen, on the other hand, understood that Lelouch had something he needed to do, at various points. When it came to the end, neither C.C. or Kallen could change him, because he had something he needed to do. Kallen couldn't because she was on the wrong side to do it and he wouldn't let her close. C.C. tried, but she lets Lelouch do what he needs to.
You'll have to explain what you mean by what Lelouch 'wasn't'. Shirley was never against Lelouch changing the world. She merely wanted to help him do it in a way that made him happy.

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...Shirley was a sheltered girl by comparison.
Having experienced Mao alone is enough for me to call 'bullshit'. Shirley had something to teach Lelouch, and it wasn't some idealized fantasy of a sheltered schoolgirl. Shirley had to persevere through enough shit to get to what she believed in, I honestly can't see how what Shirley went through was any less difficult than for the other two. She's tragic heroine number one in Code Geass for chrissakes, nobody was beat down like they did on her.

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