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Old 2012-11-04, 13:24   Link #31108
Renall
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One thing we know for a fact: All seven of the adults were in the chapel before midnight, when Beatrice met with them in that scene. Rosa included. So just going by a general purpose everybody-is-who-we-think-they-are argument, Rosa at the very least was aware of where everybody else ought to be. Since we don't know who was said what to and when in the chapel, or when everybody in it died, we run across an obvious problem where we know Rosa (or if you want to be insane, someone who appeared to be Rosa) left the chapel at some point. And that's about all we know.

However, if we're going to bother twisting the red into knots for something this silly, why not go all out? We already know that the official solution more or less acknowledges that dead doesn't necessarily mean physically biologically dead. So what if dead is merely incapable of distinguishing between "story" death and actual death? In other words: The six adults in the chapel were intended to be "dead" but not actually dead as part of a murder game perpetrated by Yasu. Rosa may or may not have been aware of this (either her sickness was genuine because of the quality of the makeup, or she didn't know it was fake). The adults were "killed" by the "culprit" of the story, Beatrice. This was all according to the plan.

This is supported by Kanon died in this room! because we know that Kanon was not biologically killed in Jessica's room. Rather, the "character" of Kanon "died" there. It's impossible for him to have actually physically died there. Actually, Turn makes this really easy because it never makes a blanket death declaration for anybody. It says they were "killed," but not that they "are dead."

If Beatrice's red makes no distinction between her "script" and actual murders, it's possible for somebody who is considered to have "died" in the story to still be alive... but it's also possible to kill them anyway, which is what Erika does in Dawn. As a result, there would be several people who potentially could still be alive after "dying" as long as it's somewhat ambiguous whether they really died. The First Twilight being the most obvious one:

Legend: Kyrie, Rudolf, Gohda, Krauss, Rosa, and Shannon are all never seen again after the FT. Kanon is never seen dead by Battler. The deaths of Eva/Hideyoshi and Genji/Kumasawa/Nanjo seem really hard to fake in any way, but I guess they're not seen again after their death is witnessed once.

Turn: The six in the chapel could have been faking (though if one was a culprit he or she could've real-killed the others later). Jessica's position makes it possible her death could well have been a story death. Kanon is never seen again. It seems unlikely that George/Gohda/Shannon are faking it, but there are also no murders after Shannon dies.

Banquet: The six in the closed room chain (Kinzo aside) are obviously potentially able to stay alive and only Shannon is ever seen again by anybody (and in the intended solution very clearly was still alive). Kyrie/Rudolf/Hideyoshi could have been faking. George probably not. Nanjo... most likely not but probably? Rosa and Maria definitely not.

Alliance: Well, basically anybody could've been alive right up until the time Battler found their body, and he only finds a couple of bodies before 6 AM of the 5th.

There is a certain delightful appeal in the idea that Shannon would've killed herself in a closed room to cast suspicion away from Kyrie after George and Gohda were killed (and she was perhaps wounded), only to have Kyrie wreck the whole thing by inviting Battler up to the study at the end to reveal her master plan, which would've broken Battler psychologically. But she isn't the only person who can actually stay alive by story-death red evasion. The obvious point is that so can Shkanon, which appears to be the intended solution. So could Jessica though, as she's alive in every episode if we consider Turn a story death. Granted, it'd be hard for her to be a culprit in most episodes because she's with Battler the whole time.

The biggest issue I have with Kyrie is actually her phone call in ep4. If she's the culprit why is she trying to embrace the magical narrative? Then again, maybe not... what if Shannon gets the drop on Kyrie, forces her at gunpoint to spin an outrageous story to Battler (so that he will not blame Kyrie), shoots her, and then goes to kill herself at the well?

A random note: Except in Banquet, Kyrie would always potentially be party to Beatrice's initial "hey this is what I'm gonna do you guys go along with it OK?" meeting. She also would've been in on anything discussed in the dining hall in End and in whatever discussion happened to fake a First Twilight in Dawn. However she's, once again, not the only adult who could've been in on that.
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