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Originally Posted by Klashikari
as a side note, do you mean the "oedipe complex" for your psychology term?
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Yeah, that's what houkoholic was going for. But Oedipus Complex is a psychological concept for boys wanting the exclusive love of their mothers. The condition for girls wanting it of their fathers is the Electra Complex.
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Originally Posted by houkoholic
Spoiler for response to my earlier gripe:
I tend to look at it at a different way.
If you recall what the producer said - that Yuuichi is suppose to be a fatherly figure to the girls, then I think the proposal makes sense. I see it as not that Makoto has genuine male-female love/lust towards Yuuichi, but rather it's a child-father thing, sort of a daughter in her young age says she wants to marry her father so they can be forever, this is said not out of romantic love but out of innocense and family love, I'm pretty sure there's even a psychological term for this phase in childhood. If you look at it this way, then all the regression, the clinging to Yuuichi, and how Yuuichi treats Makoto, IMO all fits. I have to say it's actually a very interesting growth for both Yuuichi and Makoto as they move in exactly the opposite direction - Yuuichi grows from a bastard teenager brother-like figure to a fatherly figure, while Makoto regress from a bratty teenager to a kid of mental capacity of a 4 year old clinging to a father. In a way this also explains why a lot of people think that the sex scenes in the Kanon game felt tacked on, because Makoto's story was not so much about male-female romance.
As for the "fluctuations", I don't think it's out of place. Amano also talks alot about thoughts and emotions, that it's Makoto's desire that keeps her in the human form. In that particular scene we can easily appoint it to the reason that Makoto's strong desire and emotional state had given her that extra strength to mutter those words, whereas her everyday activity doesn't have as much baring on her mental state of mind because she's just having fun. I think this is due to the Buddism/Zen nature of Japanese culture that really emphasis on how the spiritual state of a being can overcome hardship, and in that proposal scene this is exactly what happened.
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Yeah, I can clearly visualize where you're going with these ideas. My arguements were based on taking the words of the characters as serious and literal. I have no qualms with Yuuichi or Nayuki or any other episode. I like how he's changing from the jokester to revealing a more serious and concerning face. The frustrating part is how such a strong connection between the two could have happened. If we're ment to take those circumstances as strong and literal, I thus took the proposal scene literal as well. = |
What interests me most is how people change over the course of a movie or a TV show. What kind of things can stir a person into doing something they never considered or would never do? These are the things many people watch for because change is evolution, to become better (or worse) than you were before. But I continue to look as Makoto as stagnant in the sense that she was destructive and unaware of her actions in the beginning, and she has become destructive (sort of) and unaware of her actions in the end. She was a burden then (pranks, wasting food, etc.) and she's a burden still.
Part of my frustration also stems from the fact that my hopes weren't entirely satisfied. It would've been nice to have had more scenes in between episode 8 and what resulted in episode 9. Maybe a date. I wanted to hear from Makoto what she felt about him. I wanted to hear it from her that she had changed or has become better than who she was before.
And now it's all too late...or so it seems.