Originally Posted by Undertaker
Wow, so now it the bad writing's fault, then WHY are you still here reading OP?
You take what the author gave you, in this case Oda, unless Oda admit he F#$ed-up on the story, these story element stay facts within the story.
Luffy beat Croc by finding weakness to his power, Croc made the mistake of not killing Luffy during their first encounter seald his fate as Luffy found out about his weakness, as such once Luffy is able to beat the shit out of Croc with his bloodied fists, there is no reason why he can't do it again. Remeber what that sniper from Blackbeard's crew said during Ace and BB's duel? He mentioned how he always though DF users are too relient on their power that once you find the weakness to their power they become vulnerable ane easily beatable. Croc is exactly the type of DF user he was talking about. Unlike Luffy, Ace, and every member of CP9, Croc is not a good fighter without his DF power. Granted, he might have more mastery over his power compare to most of other DF users we've seen so far, but once that ability is neutralized he can't do anything but resolve to cheating [Poison]. There is no reason why Luffy can't give Croc the same beating with two bloodied fist and pound him to oblivion if they meet again now he's faster and stronger and with the ability to go in Gear2 and Gear3.
Back to Moria and Oz, this fight is different. Luffy only beat Moria because he was drugged up with all the shadows, if the fight were to happen again, Luffy's not going to have Nightmare Luffy power and it'll be a whole new fight.
Most importantly, you are one of those people that fell into the the Bounty trap set up by Oda. Bounty is not equal to strength through it can be an indicator for it. It is mainly a reflection on how WG perceive the danger a person poses. based on SBS it is clear that even with BW, Croc's perceive threat level in only about half that of Moria [SBS stated that if WG knows about BW, Croc's Bounty would be in 160 million range]. With 80 millions by himself, the rest of BW post roughly as much a threat as Croc at 80 millions.
Now using Phenomenol's logic:
If Moria is like you say, a sheep, that can't hold candle to Croc, that means Moria is at most worth only 80 million by himself, therefore, it means his Zombie are considered by WG to pose MUCH BIGGER DANGER to the world at 240 millions, or 3 times what BW poises with all their agents and thousands of members, This in turn IMPLIES that Moria's subordinates are considered stronger than Moria himself, coupled with the fact the Oda made Spandem and his dad leaders of their respective Cipher Pol, shows that you don't have to be strong to be in charge of a unit.
Now I agree Moria might not be the heavy hitter that some people thinks, I for one didn't think Moria is that strong coming into the arc and is more relient to his power that ones with actual fighting skill. But after seeing that he's able to doge Luffy's attack and was unharmed after Luffy first found him, I certainly to think he is stronger than Croc, who actually took a beating until he decide to turn his body into sand as show the full scope of the DF power, while Moria have card up his sleeve.
The fact that also stands is that with the fight being that one-sided and Luffy has the benefit of the one-time power up, Moria is still a mystery to us, we still don't know Moria's personal fighting power, We don't knwo the full extend of his shadow power, and we still can't figure out the weakness of his DF power coupled with the fact that he is able to kinap Luffy, Sanji and Zoro with eaze and render them unconcious all the while create rough equals of all three speaks volume itself and made him very worthy of being a shikibukai.
Last thing, Luffy is already at shikibukai's level in the eye of WG simply by what Kuma has stated, WG is afraid of Luffy deafeating another Shikibukai, if Luffy is not at the smae level as them why would the WG fear another would fall before Luffy. With that being said, Rob Lucchi is definitely considered by WG as a Shikibukai-level weapon at their disposal. Remeber, CP9 is consider to be Marines' last line of defense of thier HQ and their other 'Ace in the hole' along with Buster Call, and current CP9 was said to be the strongest incarnation of the unit and Rob Lucchi himself is consider an icon/legend and the strongest amoung the strongest by the Marines. By saying that Luffy is not at their level is simply blind.
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