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Old 2010-03-19, 15:17   Link #1809
tcaz2
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Question:

The final red of the Episode, "We're very sorry miss, but even if we welcome you, the number of people is 17."... Does the phrase 'even if' mean the same thing read in Japanese as English?

...Because if so, either Ryuukishi made a horrible mistake (if Shkanon is true), or everyone else is reading it horribly wrong.

Because Battler and Beatrice are quite literally saying "Regardless of if you're on the island or not, the number of people is a constant 17." Because the phrase 'even if' means 'regardless', and any synonyms you can think of for that.

Meaning that with or without Erika, there's always 17... which quite literally means that the only answer to the riddle IS Erika doesn't exist- because the number doesn't increase when she's there.



And yes I'm aware of the Episode 5 red that says "Erika only increases the number by one", etc. But this really does warrant some consideration, because the phrase only has one meaning.
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