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Old 2013-02-15, 19:38   Link #109
Roger Rambo
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Originally Posted by Qilin View Post
All that's really been established is that they have damn huge egos. Without bodies, that pretty much eliminates their need for anything material; hence, all that's left is for them to feed their own egos by maintaining sufficient control over the system. They are most certainly not messing around the system for their own entertainment. Rather, they seem to take their role in the society very seriously, eliminating all obstacles and incorporating those minds that could allow them to control everything more efficiently.
And how exactly do you get off thinking that a cadre of semi mind reading ego maniacs isn't ripe for corruption?

Ideally when it comes to crime coefficient, the measurement should be based on purely on their likelyhood to commit criminal actions, without any personal bias. People can accept this as being fair when they think it's objective machines producing the crime coefficient readings. But what happens when you introduce the uncertainty of of Sybil actually being a small group of mind reading egomaniacs who think they're gods, and look down on normal people?


Think about Tomomi's conversation with Gino about rising crime coefficient. Tomomi's crime coefficient started rising not because of some criminal tendencies, but because he started to feel doubts about his job. His crime coefficient only stopped rising once he learned to *accept* Sybil. There has in fact been allot of talk throughout the series about how clear hues and low crime coefficients as if they were less related to violent/psychopahic/sociopathic tendencies, and more related to accepting Sybil, and Sybil not rejecting you...almost like Sybil was some kinda of temperamental entity that didn't like individuals who didn't adore it.

And now we know that Sybil isn't an impartial computer system. It's 250 human beings who think of themselves as gods, using their arbitrary intuition to decide who is a latent criminal. Now tell me. Are these people going to objectively judge crime coefficients of peaceful non violent citizens who might just happen to have some misgiving about the nature of the system? Or will they, as gods, be displeased when the puny mortals don't offer up unconditional devotion as a sacrifice?



It takes some obtuse thinking to not recognize this as a tyrannical abuse of power, and something very likely given how we know Sybil actually works.



edit: Another potential example is Yayoi. A talented Sybil sanctioned musician, and a perfectly mentally healthy individual whose almost garunteed to never commit a crime that would menace society...and then she starts appreciating music out of the confines of what Sybil defines as good. She's still utterly law abiding...but what do the brains think of someone who rejects their judgement on what makes good music? Do they handle it calmly and rationally? Or do they decide to get their nickers in a twist for about .05 milliseconds, and arbitrarily flag her as a latent criminal?

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Originally Posted by Dark Wing View Post
How do we know that for sure? After all it was stated they could remove Makishima's brain by force if they had to (Destroy His Body and Take His Brain) so obviously they've could've done this to plenty of non-violent sociopaths who've been detected.

Also if you remove the free will how would they be able to calculate and handle problem solving and who better to handle the hard chooses then the individuals who don't feel remorse for their actions...I like most of our politicians.
The problem is that someone like Makishima who DIDN'T commit violent crimes...would be impossible to detect. The literal definition of criminally asymptomatic individuals requires them to commit CRIMES that can be contrasted to their inaccurate crime coefficient.

The horrific implication here, is that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the brains currently running the Sybil system likely got scouted because of committing crimes violent enough to get them noticed.

Last edited by Roger Rambo; 2013-02-15 at 19:59.
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