[Knicknevin]

Originally Posted by Renall

Why are we blaming Eva for ep3? Because we've been told to? Come on, let's not be dupes here: at most, Eva killed Rosa, Maria, Krauss and Natsuhi, and most likely did shoot Battler! And Rosa could've been an accident or even self-defense. Maria could've been killed out of desperation. Krauss and Natsuhi could've gotten suspicious, or Eva could've become paranoid. And Eva was clearly not well when Battler confronted her and got shot.

But all those other deaths? Not Eva. First Twilight doesn't match "her" MO anyway, and she has no reason to even start killing until she finds the gold. That's six deaths she almost certainly didn't do. She wouldn't kill Hideyoshi and George under any circumstances. That's two more. Kyrie and Rudolf probably got into a gunfight with Hideyoshi over his covering for her. Two more. Nanjo can't have been killed by her. And why would she kill Jessica? She didn't even know where she was. The vast majority of the deaths in ep3 weren't Eva, and we don't know if her actions were justifiable (she was having nightmares and may have believed herself to be actually responsible, meaning she might take credit for things she didn't do)

Alright, I can see where you're coming from. That raises the question of who WAS behind the first twilight though. It was stated in red that Jessica wasn't a murderer. Maria is likely to be working with the person taking the name 'Beatrice' but she isn't capable of that alone. Given the similar MOs in the first three games' first twilights (the symbols on the doors, the locked rooms etc), I have trouble believing that anyone who has died in the first twilight, of the first 3 games at least, can be one of its planners. But all 3 seem like they were carried out by the same person. But who knows, they ARE pretty crazy on that island...

Spoiler for Ep3:

Anyway, Battler's theory that it was one of the parents and they slipped the last key into someone's pocket after the room was opened wasn't denied, and none of them committed suicide, so unless it was George, it must have been one of the adults. Eva is just as likely as anyone else, and is made more so by circumstance. Maybe all the parents were in on it, and 'finding' the bodies was just an act. They were there all night, and they were taking the letter pretty seriously. It may have been a collective decision to kill the servants. Tossing Kinzo into the fire just gave a convenient way to cover up his earlier death.

And if we assume Hideyoshi killed Rudolph and Kyrie and then faked his own death, later to kill Nanjo and then die, what was his motivator? Money? It's implied he knew Eva found the gold. And that he knew she killed Rosa and Maria as well.

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Kinzo met Beatrice after the war (1945+)
Captain kawabata started shipping goods to the kuwadorian around the year 1948
The Ronkkejima Mansion's construction ended in the year 1952
The Ushiromiya's family moved from Odawara to Rokkenjima in the year 1956
A young Beatrice died in 1967, around the same year Kawabata was told it wasn't any longer necessary for him to go to the kuwadorian.

Okay, I was mistaken about the year of the young Beato's death, didn't go back to check that. Need to go back and make a new set of saves... Well, if it was a year later, there's no chance of the Jessica being the second Beatrice's daughter. Still, I've been leaning more toward the idea Jessica may actually be Asumu's daughter. Regardless of when she was brought into Krauss' family, her appearance may still have caught Kinzo's attention.

Spoiler for Ep4 Beatrice:

Given what the Beatrice Battler saw in Episode 4 said about Kinzo's tastes and the general story behind how Beatrice came to be on Rokkenjima, he seems inclined to just take what he wants, and to hell with what the world thinks of it.