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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Pretty sure Ryukishi put the servants under suspicion so we would think that the servants COULDN'T have done it (after all, why would the possibility that was mentioned within the narrative be the correct answer?). A reverse red-herring.

Yes, even in Our Confession is mentioned that reverse red-herring would be used.

Originally Posted by Renall

Also regarding the servant conspiracy: It wasn't entirely what was suggested in the story. For example, while someone does throw out the idea of Shannon-in-a-dress, they don't suggest that Shannon is the one actively trying to act like she's Beatrice, or that Shannon is somehow the mastermind (or even a murderer). There is a constant unspoken assumption that someone of authority - either Genji on Kinzo's orders or one of the other parents - is putting the servants up to it.

Likewise, Rosa is far more suspicious in Turn than the servants. Yes, she's trying to blame them overtly, but the portrayal of her erratic behavior and unexplained knowledge (she was at the chapel but didn't die, the butterfly landing on her back as she goes upstairs, lying about Kinzo, etc.) and the portrayal of the servants in magic scenes (Kanon defending Jessica with his life) tends to make the reader assume that Rosa is just trying to throw suspicion onto the servants needlessly.

Is it nevertheless a bit hackish that it's sort of true? I guess. But it's not exactly the same thing as somebody guessing the entire conspiracy correctly in the first dozen chapters only to have it pan out exactly as they said seven episodes later.

Exactly. No one seems to think the servants acted on their own and well, they've good reasons for this.
Genji served the family through all his life and likely so Kumasawa.
Shannon served it for most of her life.
Kanon and Gohda are relatively new but they work in the family by more than 1 year.
What would they have to gain by starting such thing?
It's not like they can inherit the family fortune.

Of course for Rosa is pretty easy to suspect of the servants. She knows that she's not the culprit and that all her siblings and husband/wifes are dead and she likely know Kinzo is dead as well.

So the culprit is either an extra person, the servants or one of her nephews and really, the servants look like the most likely ones.

Originally Posted by Wegenbarth

I'll do Renall a fevor and try to summarize the vids again. I fully watched some month ago and will skim throug them again and post it here.

Spoiler:

Shannon didn't had a fake corpse in KNM's "Rosa-George culprit + Nanjo accomplice theory" because Shannon and Kanon are indivdual persons.
How she got out, well, was it said in red that nobody left the shed?
(Can't remember).

Spoiler:

He claims that the offical solution with Shannon = Kanon = Beatrice is a lie made up by the author to hide the real solution.
He does that to honor those who didn't stop thinking and found the "real" solution already.

Yasu is not the same person as Lion.
The Beatrice-Culprit is Rosa.
The second Culprit is George.
The only willingly accomplice is Dr.Nanjo.

Battler is another accomplice in the fifth game.
Eva killed Kraus+Natsuhi in ep3.
Erika obviously killed those people in ep6.


Basicly, I still hope that KNMs solution is the right one in the end, as his idea how ep6 is handled in the story is ... well, souds even more logical, esp the way he explained how Battler's letter could still be in place, and how the furniture-love-duel had to be taken.

The problem I have with someone who's not ShKanon as culprit in the gameboards is... well the whole of Ep 7.

I'm fine with a bit of red herring but an intere episode... it would be too much to stomach.