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Old 2013-02-24, 00:05   Link #282
Quadratic
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Originally Posted by Triple_R View Post
That's not a "huge assumption". That's a reasonable default position given what we know right now. As of right now, we only know of one way for a person to get noticed by the Sibyl collective - Be a criminal that doesn't give off a latent criminal reading.
I'm not arguing about the circumstances now, merely the assumption that all the brains are criminals on basis that their readings were zero or whatever...despite Sibyl not being in existance when creating the initial members.
It's more pausible that they all were like Senguji, and only became criminals afterwards.
Having said that, Akane is in a unique position to be noticed by Sibyl because the circumstances surrounding her eg. Gino's report and relationship with Makishima and Kogami, records of the memory scoop.

Also, what about the "promotion" that Sibyl keeps stringing Gino along? Perhaps that is the other way to join in?

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Originally Posted by Roger Rambo View Post
Context is important.

What's "mindless empathy" for a regular person is NOT the same as "mindless empathy" for a serial killer turned delusional god ruling over a society. Touma very likely does consider all emotional feelings to be mindless from his perspective.

The fact that the Sybil is willing to risk so many peoples lives just to bring Makishima in hardly seems a good indicator for the collective possessing empathy.
At this point we don't know how the Sybil system was initially conceived or founded, or the circumstances behind it.
Fair point on that example, but while Sibyl may consider it mindless empathy for defending the rape victim but that only further drives Akane's unique ideology (and it is unique since no one thinks that way under the current system anymore), and in Akane's mind it isn't mindless because it isn't justice (whether Sibyl understands that that's how Akane is thinking is debatable).

As for the Makishima situation, them caring about the lives of "sheeps" instead of obtaining greater knowledge would be mindless empathy.
Knowledge, which in their "minds", helps them transcend (further) them beyond what a single individual can achieve.
One could argue that Sibyl/the collective brains empathized with Touma being unique in his way of thinking and him being lonely because of this, and they accepted Touma despite his crimes, because his intellect is more valuable than the crimes he committed.
In any case, they used the words "aimless empathy", not "no empathy" so someone like Akane can fit the criteria.

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Originally Posted by Roger Rambo View Post
Except that isn't clear at all. Low crime coefficient could be characterized by someone who had natural mental resilience/elasticity to trauma, as well as them being criminally asymptomatic. Considering how rare being criminally Asymptomatic is (one in a couple million?), there are going to be thousands of people who just happen to be well adjusted enough to appear identical to an Asymptomatic criminal, even under stressful situations. It's just not a useful detection method.
Shion and Gino clearly explained the typical behavior of the memory scoop, and Akane did not follow the expected scenario.
If they expected it to be a natural resistance, then it wouldn't explain why Gino still went and asked his father why Akane can keep her hue low, because he doesn't seem to accept that as an answer.
From a story perspective, there have been many signs of her low CC which fit the criteria of what Sibyl is looking for.
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She did not kill Makishima (ie. did not let her emotions get in the way).
Thoughlessly talked about her job/life to her friends and Kagari, despite them being in a crapper situation (ie. no mindless empathy).
I'm not going to bring in any ep 18 examples since that'd be spoilers (though saying this is probably a spoiler in itself? :S ), though there are also many more examples in the previous episodes, as well, which I'm too lazy to write out.
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