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Originally Posted by Cynor

But Ohgi ISN'T a subordinate of the UFN... He was a subordinate of Zero, who he DID betray and was insubordinate to, but we're talking about the UFN here. Keep in mind the OotBK aren't tied to a country. They are an INDEPENDENT FORCE who was employed by the UFN. So long as they fulfilled their contract (giving Japan back the UFN) they haven't defied the UFN. It would be TOTALLY different if they were declared like the royal army of Japan or something, and had an allegiance to one of the nations in the UFN. But they are an independent third party, and ultimately they DID fulfill their contract to give Japan back to the UFN.

Incorrect. The Black Knights are the military arm of the UFN, and as such are under an obligation to serve them. An under the table the deal which expressly violates the intent of their invasion to benefit a relative minority in the entire organization is without a doubt against the letter and spirit of the law binding them. They even acknowledge it by hiding the circumstances. They not only mutinied upon their immediate superior without trial or due process, but further hid their misdeeds from their other superiors, Kaguya and Xingke.

Originally Posted by Cynor

When talking about the OotBK and the whole organization being insubordinate to the UFN, that doesn't hold true either. Ultimately their "lawful order" was take back Japan. Does the UFN care about the methods or the results though? One would think they care about the results. What does it matter (to the UFN) HOW they take it back so long as it is intact and not turned to dust. A TEMPORARY ceasefire (especially after what happened) doesn't automatically mean that they are giving up and can't take back Japan.

The UFN does care, especially when the method of liberation was the tipping point for the entire global war. Ohgi's actions undermined the entire world war, with or without the threat of nukes in play.

Originally Posted by Cynor

So lets say they never had the ceasefire and Lelouch was never exposed. OotBK wins back Japan. Do you think Britannia is just going to go all "Oh well guys, we didn't really want Japan anyways so they can have it!" and not attack and try to take it back? Consider how much technology runs on Sakuradite and where most of it comes from. Do you really think Britannia is going to lay down and NOT try to take it back?

Irrelevant. The idea was that by successfully liberating Japan, it would be the tipping point to incite further rebellion in all Britannian territories. By showing they could free one area, others would be inspired to rebel.

Originally Posted by Cynor

If you think on it, the way it actually worked out they have a better chance to be left in peace. By giving Japan back Britannia opens the door for peace. Keep in mind they only really declared war because Japan was part of the UFN and it's homeland was "occupied" by Britannia. Once that was taken care of... well who knows for sure, but if there weren't other member states who were "occupied" then by them giving it back maybe the UFN and Britannia may not be able to live in peace as 2 super powers in the world? Well for a time at least...

Britannia was at war with the entire world. Giving back Japan does not solve that issue. Far from it. In order for there to be peace, you need to solve the problem. The problem is Britannia's aggressive expansion policy, which would not be put down without a decisive victory.