So I finished reading the novels three weeks ago, and I needed go somewhere and talk about it. Then this thread appeared and... yeah.
Now, there's a lot that has already been discussed, so for the sake of not being redundant and because I can't go back and read the monstruous thread since the begining, I'm just gonna take the topic in this last page and start with it.
So I'll pick one of the topics floating in here... Implanted memories. Because that's weird enough.
For what I can get about the thing without going back to read, you're posting a theory about how Tohya is not Ushiromiya Battler. I would take it into consideration, really, if it weren't for the
implanted memory argument, because let's face it: it'd go up right there with the whole amnesia thingy in the 'asscovers/bullshit that everybody could live without' list.
BUT, speaking about if its possible or not... yes.
To a certain degree. It's possible even with non-brain-damaged people, and I'm telling this from experience: If Miss X doesn't have a complete/perfect recolection of what happened, say... one year ago, Mr. G can suggest 'You did
Y' and Miss X can
pottentialy believe it. But there's certain criteria that has to be taken in consideration: Miss X must thrust Mr. G to a certain degree, at least enough to not suspect he's lying or he couldn't have known;
Y must be in character for Miss X, so she can't detect something weird ("I'd never do that!" she'd say); It has to be possible ("I've never been in Russia to begin with!" she'd say) and finally,
Y can't be something unforgettable. ("I'd remember if I married you!" she'd say).
Of course, this is about normal people with normal memory erosion.
Spoiler for EP7 & EP8 spoil... So, is it possible for an amnesiac to get false memories through suggestion?:
I'm no doctor, I couldn't tell. But in Umineko there's a good plot point to shut that down. Remember? Beatrice II? No matter how Kinzo might've played the thing, no matter if she grew up sealed away from reality and believed in magic and wolves, she could not be someone she wasn't. She couldn't be Castiglioni.
And then we have how 'no one can kill or resurrect the character but the actor that created him' in EP7.
In the last scene of EP8's TP, it's something of a metaphorical resurrection of the guy when all the memories returned in front of Beatrice's portrait. So the Goddamned Battler Returns or something like that.
Let alone real life. In Umineko is not even probable to make a Battler in somebody else.
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For the sake of logic, we don't take that 'chick beato' in consideration under the fact that is just a META plot. If we aknowledge that as a counter argument, we deserve a kick in the ass, because that was just an analogy to warn about Kinzo's sin, and explain in a very vague way the extent of Beatrice's pain to make her more sympathetic. You know, how all that pain chaged a pure inoccent moeblob into a trolling murderous witch, and why Battler forgave her in the basis of knowing the hardships Beato/Sayo-nara lived because he didn't remember a promise he made as an infant.
I would call bullshit on that poor try to make a murderer sympathethic, if it wasn't almost enterely outstated that what happened in Rokkenjima was the clusterfuck of the Ushirmomiya's grudges and give-back-ma-money schemes, and Sayo just gave an opening for the tragedy to happen that went out of control in mere minutes.
Hm. Maybe I wrote too much. It's my first post here, I got carried away...