[DeX-kun]

Originally Posted by Haak

Okay there are two things here. First of all to say that all we have is a dead family if the miracle didn't occur isn't a good reason. The whole reason why plot devices are made is primarily because of reasons like this. Because they reached a dead end that nobody would like. Have you ever watched Bleach?

Plot devices were created because everything has been done before. If you want something original, I doubt that anyone can come up with one. Again, they didn't reach a dead end here, the plot was laid out since it's based off the game. There are always 2 sides to everything, but the results will be the same. There will always be someone to complain about it. Let's say this anime had an ending of hopelessness, then what? We'll have someone like you coming in here arguing that it would have been better to have a happy ending. This anime wasn't made to please only you.

On a side note, Bleach is irrelevant to this discussion.

Originally Posted by Haak

Second of all. I don't mind a miracle occuring but I wish it just wasn't too perfect. To me it's going against the theme of Tomoya trying to live through an imperfect world. If the miracle were imperfect then I wouldn't have minded.

Nobody here ever said that it was perfect and you can quote me on that. Only you said it was. The theme was Tomoya trying to live through an imperfect world? Really? The theme of this anime was family, the main one that is and it was fairly obvious. I don't know where you get the notion that this anime was about Tomoya trying to live through an imperfect world because the ending of this series proves otherwise.

Originally Posted by Haak

Something like the garbage doll realising who he is becomes the real Tomoya who realises that he can use the light orbs to save Nagisa and a have perfect life but realises that somewhere along the line it would mean a bad thing for someone else like Akio did so instead realeses the light orbs and this stops the blizzard saving him and Ushio in the illusionary world and then they both figure that Nagisa but be the illsuionary world somewhere too so they go on a seacrh to find her. Something like that! The same character development would've occured and it would've kept to the whole 'an imperfect world' theme.

You completely lost me here because I have no idea what you said in the first half of this paragraph, actually, I didn't understand most of it. Point here is that Tomoya didn't know what would come out of the miracle, all he wished for was to save Ushio and in the end he got Nagisa back as well. He had his choice in the beginning of episode 22, Tomoya could have decided to ignore Nagisa so he wouldn't have to make her suffer but he realized that he really didn't regret meeting her. If it meant that he had to go through all the pain and suffering again, he would take the risk. Again, there is no theme as the one that you claim. This anime isn't about suffering and tragic endings. This isn't Romeo and Juliet, this is Clannad. It's about family and hope.

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Nothing says the world Tomoya gets after 22 is perfect. What we see looks perfect, but we don't really get to see all that much. Little snap shots of life.

Tomoya's choices was to accept family, the good and the bad. He seems to have gotten the good this time around. Maybe it will stay good, maybe it won't. The point is that he accepted it.

Yes, you beat me to it. Let me reiterate here. Tomoya didn't know what he was going to get when he awoke to the time where Nagisa gave birth. Tomoya thought that he was going to witness Nagisa die again. When the miracle occurred, Tomoya chose to accept the same life he lived with Nagisa, the good and the bad. There is no such thing as perfect.