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Old 2012-12-09, 00:46   Link #1318
Clarste
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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh View Post
Sure, but that's not what you wrote.
I really don't want to have to go into this in detail, but it's about their arguments rather than their positions. It's hard to say Unzen was "right" either, since his whole thing was just about treating people fairly (as if they're all inherently evil, no exceptions). He had a disagreement with Medaka, but neither of them were "right". However, his argument was one that Medaka couldn't counter, and in the end she just beat him without proving any kind of point. Although he also happened to be right about her loneliness, etc, but that's a separate issue. Unzen victory wasn't in being "right" in an absolute sense, but simply succeeding in putting both their positions on the same moral footing.

Similarly, Oudo and Medaka ('s followers) have a disagreement. Notably Oudo does not actually disagree with Zenkichi objection to brainwashing (he merely asks about it). What he objects to is Zenkichi's reasoning. Zenkichi doesn't care in the slightest about consent or helplessness, and indeed he himself was forced into the council against his will (starting his change). You may think Oudo was wrong because brainwashing is inherently worse than whatever it is Medaka does, but Zenkichi doesn't and he never even tried to bring that up. Oudo was "right" in that he managed to put both their positions on the same moral standing, within the argument.

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Originally Posted by Sol Falling View Post
However, the issue at hand is not really Medaka's personality or brainwashing, anyway. The real issue is that Miyakanojou, via supporting the Flask Plan, intends to enable experimentation on students. Although you could say as much as you like about Medaka exerting an unjustified influence on those around her, fundamentally at least she would never endanger others' lives.
Is that really still the issue? I thought the story made it pretty clear that the Council kind of forgot their reasoning somewhere. They haven't even tried to ask Naze for example if what she would actually do to the students. Oudo grandiose posturing while standing on a wall can hardly be taken at face value. Isn't that the point of having an inspection rather than just shutting it down immediately?
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