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Old 2011-04-11, 11:53   Link #22590
LyricalAura
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Originally Posted by Renall View Post
I think his point is more as follows:
  • In ep8, Battler believes himself to have omniscient control over the game board, and is surprised when something happens outside his knowledge.
  • But in ep6, something apparently happened outside his knowledge, so Battler should already know such a thing is possible.
  • Therefore either Battler has inexplicably forgotten what happened last time he was Game Master, or the Battler GMing ep8 is not the same Battler that GM'd ep6, or Genius Battler is true and this is actually the first time someone has done something without Battler's knowledge.
I leave it to you which is more probable.
This. Furthermore, not only did Battler believe he had omniscient control over the game board, Beatrice and Lambdadelta agreed with him. If you want to argue that Battler is wrong, you also have to explain the other two.

And just as importantly, what purpose would making them be wrong actually serve? The end result of that scene is that they know someone is doing things behind Battler's back anyway, so if Bern already managed it before, there shouldn't be a compelling reason to contradict it.

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Originally Posted by Jan-Poo View Post
This is the scene of Battler that realizes that Ange is missing. The piece Ange was removed from the gameboard without him noticing, he had to physically check the room first. This proves that Battler doesn't have an omniscent view on the gameboard.
I think what we can establish from that search is that the game master can't see the entire board at once, BUT normally it's impossible to touch the board with his permission, so he's effectively omniscient anyway.

For a metaphor, think about a blind chess player playing a game by phone. The player can't see the pieces, but he normally understands the whole board because he set up the starting position and all moves have to go through him. But if someone has an extra key to his house, they could quietly steal a piece, and he wouldn't notice until the next time he tried to move it.
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