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Old 2009-07-13, 00:59   Link #1202
Dean_the_Young
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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS View Post

23 and 28: Stop the Orb forces from waging war against while preventing them from getting wiped out. They placed priority on Zaft lives over Orb, but its not like Zaft wouldn't do the same thing in reverse. Kira only shot at people that were attacking him Cagalli or AA first he wasn't trying to pick a fight with everyone.
Trying or not, that's exactly what he was doing. He blew up the Minerva's main gun before it could end the battle completely in ZAFT's favor, and he shot down Orb and EF machines when they were in place to sink the Minerva, ending the battle for Orb/EA. In a fight, you don't get points if you punch both fighters in order to stop them from landing a knockout blow. You get seen as attacking all sides, and you still made the fight go on longer.

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Despite what haters say they were not in fact trying to stop the battle in general. In fact Kira and AA try to prevent Minerva from getting wiped out as well (though destroying their main gun to prevent Orb from getting totally destroyed because as I said Orb lives have priority) until Shinn starts shooting at them and basically ruins any chance of alliance (he also ruined any chance of Orb standing down as he pissed everyone off by shooting at Cagalli)
ZAFT and the EA were at war, in case you forgot. By preventing the Minerva from getting wiped out, they were picking a fight with Orb and the EA. They had already picked a fight with ZAFT before as well. Shinn has every reason to shoot at them: they aren't ZAFT, and whether you consider Cagelli to be True Orb or just plain Orb, Orb is ZAFT's enemy.

The only people for whom Orb is a priority is the ArchAngel and Orb itself. It is not ZAFT's priority, and attacking ZAFT for Orb put Kira and the AA against ZAFT.

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32: Save Berlin. Since they got there first halted Destroy's advance and conviently took out Neo and Sting for Shinn, he should have been a bit more grateful. Yeah Stellar died but she was a lost cause to begin with.
Not your call to make, anymore than excusing shots fired to protect Orb because Orb is Kira's priority. Shinn did pacify Stellar and she was standing down, and Kira ruined whatever goodwill he might have earned by killing her.
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34: Defending themselves. Arugably had Zaft not attacked them here and damaged AA and destroying Freedom they could have taken back Orb earlier and prevented Djbril from getting there at all.
You are not putting the burden of guilt on ZAFT here. Orb would have shot them out of the sky; ZAFT's invasion was what gave them the chance to get Cagelli on the ground on Orb. Half a dozen Murasames and the regular Freedom wouldn't cut it, and the EA would still be intact to support Orb.
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39: Saving Eternal from Zaft.
Which, as we know from supplementary material (irony ), had stolen high-value ZAFT mobilesuit prototypes.

Still, he didn't call out for them to stop fighting, though I do love how his idea of how to disarm a ship is to blow out its engines while in a low orbit.
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40-43: They were preventing a Zaft takeover of Orb while at the same trying to capture Djbril. They repeatedly asked for a ceasefire (which Zaft ignored as they wanted to take over Orb anyway) Had Zaft stopped their attack and let Cagalli's people try to deal with Djibril they might have stopped him but insisting on pressing the attack allowed him to get away.
Cagelli was in no position to provide a ceasefire. She's the sorta-exiled leader: if she could provide a ceasefire and get Orb to stop fighting, she would have done so well before. Cagelli had a small force and one ship under her command: ZAFT had an armada. The calculations as to who has a better chance of capturing Djirble is rather simple. Cagelli made her decision, and while she regained control of Orb it also came with the cost that her intervention allowed Djbril to escape.

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Final Battle: They are attacking Requiem to destroy it and prevent it from destroying Orb or forcing it into accepting the DP.

At all points except when defending themselves they are fighting for Orb. They weren't trying to "Stop Fighting"
You forgot the point where they were going to fight Durandal anyway, even before the doom lasers and the rest of the world had a chance to weigh in on accepting the Destiny Plan.
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