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Old 2006-01-04, 02:18   Link #196
Moon Eclipse
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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh
But eating wrong will impair your development, no matter how healthy your genes are. So why is it a good idea to trust only the genes without looking at the actual result? You've never answered that.

It's far easier to break a machine than to build one that works perfectly. One wrong thing in the genetic makeup can be enough to provoke retardation. But the things that have to be "right" to make a genius go beyong the merely genetic.

I am saying no such thing. What I am saying is that prejudging on a person's ability on the mere basis of his or her genes is wrong. And, by the way, here's another question for you: it's not rare for people to be able to do several jobs. Like artists originally trained as engineers. Or mathematicians turned philosophers. Why should Dullindal chose what jobs those people will take?

And where are you going to find equal environments? Just because people have the same jobs doesn't mean at all their environment will be the same.

We are more than our genes. Our environments shape us too. Imagine identical twins separated at birth. One raised in the wilderness by a tribe of hunter-gatherers, the other in a city by office clerks. Now drop both in the wilderness. Do you really think they have equal chances of survival?

Heck. Imagine identical twins raised together. One gets run over by a car and limps for the rest of his life. Do they have equal chances to make it as pro basket players?

AFAIK, her "problem" was teratogenic, not genetic.

"The best and brightest". Not "the people with the best genes", but those who can make a good showing for themselves.

Historically untrue.

And besides, you said it yourself. "we do not exert enough control". But there is no indication it is possible to correct that. Especially on the huge scale Dully is proposing. I'm sure crime would go down if we could put three cops behind every individual, working in shifts. Is it practical? Is it even possible, considering the fact the cops, too, would have to be watched?
First off it's not about gene's only. If it were Gil's plan would be to wipe the existent people off the face of the planet and just make a whole bunch of "kira and lacus" peferect genetic clones. It's about the ability to control the environment in which we live in thus to satisfy the nuture part of the equation as well as the genetic part of the equation.

It's easy for everything to break down instead of being created. It's far easier for a relatively uncontrolled and less maintained system to break down even more than one that is completely controlled and maintained. Our gene are suffering mutation, degredation and destruction all the time. Why does this not affect our very survival? You can get cancer form bruising and impact of your skin and cells. Why don't you? Because even you body has a microcellar system in which to maintain, correct and control this. Of course to an extent, but it is enough to allow us to live.

Yes a mathmetician can become a philospher, but which was he better at? No one is equally good at everything they do. They will always be inately better at some things than others. There in lies the idea. Why put him in something he's only second best at given his abilities can be better utulized for the benifit of all in the area which he is the best at.

Equal environment. You have two people competeing for the same job in the same place. equal environment. One will be better than the other given their natural born talents IF everything else being equal. You seem to have a problem with the idea of the if part of the statment. It can be accomplished. In the end it doesn't mean their environment will be different either. That would all have to depend on the evironment which is created and regulated for them.

You're still arguing around my original arugument when you're talking about car crashes and such. Because they're not in a completely controlled evironment are they if different things happen to them. And yes they may have the same chances of joining the NBA and going pro if the person in the car crash recieve the proper therapy, surgery and rehabilitation to bring him back to the physical condition that he was in before the crash.

teratogenic. Do you know why it's bad that you drink alcohol or smoke during pregnancy? Cause it affect and disrupt natural genetic processes of the baby during the developmental period of differentiated cells, genetic cellular expression. The formulation of the baby based upon the genetic code.

Oh I'm sorry I thought the "best and brightest" meant that they also had to had to have higher genetic potential than everyone else in order to achieve that "showing" that makes them stand out above everyone else...

Prove that it's historically untrue

In the end you're arguing that it's going to be hard to maintain, but that's nothing new with any system of control and order. Yet somehow we still manage to maintain ours well enough to get by
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