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Im just tring to say that, if there was a better tactician dont yuo think we would have seen him/her? ANd wat i meant about the kakashi thing is that okay kakashi is hardly ever surprised by anything, he fact htat he got a stir just from hearing Shikamaru talk about how he plans on fighting two immortals. I think kakashi was blown away by shikamarus thoughts and his dedication to winning at all costs, even his own life. Shikamaru is the best tactician that konoha has ever known or could ever hope to know. find ANY other person in the manga thats smarter then him. no seriously..find one.
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