[Malkuth]

@Irenicus: Look pal, throwing names of tribes, people, cultures, empires, etc. out of context and jumping from topic to topic to prove me wrong on opinions I don't particularly approve of but are common outside the western conservative ones that you were taught, does not help in discussing the 5000 years of history of a particular region, especially when you and Ithekro extend it to all the world that became muslim during its last 1000 years.

I am not your prof or some other kind of "expert" to tell people what to believe in, as you do here. I am stating opinions diverging from what is considered mainstream in the west, and very convenient among european conservatives.

Now if you really want to hear and later discuss how euro-communists, our contemporary national-socialists (whether abrab or israeli), fundamentalist muslim, russian and chinese understand the region's history and analyze its politics, NP.

But preaching one viewpoint that you have been taught, while discarding everything else as propaganda can not be called discussion, and I am not particularly interested in participating.

Remember that the original post I made, said that except the crusaders and isreal, every other non-arab group in the region, reduced in-fighting between the arabs, most of the "arguments" that followed are irrelevant to that, and hardly relevant to the topic of the thread.

PS: Over and out from me and off topic "discussions"