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Originally Posted by Haak

Too bad it wasn't banned then...

The NJC was banned.

No it doesn't. Saying that Cagalli doesn't condone the actual use of nuclear weapons does not mean the rest of Orb government will not try and gain nuclear weapons to use a deterrent. Cagalli also didn't condone the alliance with the EA and look how that turned out.

The rest of the Orb government wouldn't either because of the ban.

Yes, it wasn't a factor.

And that's all that matters. Now let's move on.

Why? Because they didn't see it coming.

Uh, no, again, Yzak's mother addressed that in her speech. They knew it was coming.

Not almost a certainty. Not even close. It was only shown once.

And it was a success.

Especially when we know the real truth. That if they had deployed more nuclear weapons then they would've actually succeeded.

It's not the truth when it never happened.

Yeah but they actually had a reason. They were covering their arse in case the NJC data was leaked and they needed something to counter nuclear weapons again. It wasn't something that they built after immediately coming to the conclusion that their one try at something else was a failure.

Where did you get that information? And please use official source instead of an unofficial wiki.

But curiously not make them try nuclear weapons again, even though MAD isn't a factor and there's no evidence of a stampeder on Earth.

They didn't think they need to, especially with the Destroys.

If that's the reason then it's worth pointing out that EA will already know that attacking Orb again won't give them what they need to get to space. If the "getting to space" bit is relevant then you have to accept that's relevant too.

Nope, after the loss of Orb's mass driver, the EA blamed Freedom and Justice for slowing them down. Orb wasn't even a factor. So they obviously didn't think it's impossible to get whatever they want from Orb.

Why? How does that help in anyway?

The objective is to destroy the PLANTs. Using nuclear weapons/Requiem at the PLANTs help them achieve that objective.

Like what?

Like Uzumi was willing to sacrifice himself.

That Golden Gundam was built whilst Uzumi was still alive and hidden in Orb all throughout EA's occupation and the EA never found it.

The EA wasn't looking for it and didn't need it.

So they need to make assumptions. Experience isn't the only thing to go one.

Logic and common sense would be another.

If you don't think you can win against a potential aggressor, then you shouldn't aggravate them. That makes sense to me.

So they didn't have to. Point proven.

Yeah, but it's irrelevant. We don't always wait until we have to do it.

It does if my reasons are true.

So it requires them to have that perspective in the first place? The original point was that you would agree they wouldn't have that perspective if they had reason to believe they could deter EA. Since in order for you to prove that they wouldn't have reason to believe they could deter EA rests on them having that perspective, I can only once again point out the circular logic.

Well, here's my point:

The EA has attacked Orb with no provocation. With that experience, Orb, especially with the Seirans' influence, doesn't have a reason to believe that they could deter an attack from the EA. Given that perspective, joining the EA helps them to stay on the EA's good side.

So reasons matter then?

Of course. The whole point is that IF the EA had a reason to attack Orb, Orb wasn't strong enough to deter them.

Thus, joining the EA was a preemptive move so that the EA would not have a reason to attack.