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Originally Posted by Kealym
I'm not saying every single thing he ever says is a lie - in fact, we have red confirming one of his diagnosis in EP3. And I'm pretty sure -most- of his "Yeah, they're totally dead" calls were genuine. However, Nanjo (as well as Genji and Kumasawa) are confirmed almost right out of the gate to be huge, huge, pants-long-since-turned-to-ashes liars who'll say or do almost anything for Shkanon's convenience, even long after the point where it stops seeming to be in their best interest to do so.
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Hmm that is indeed true.
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Originally Posted by Renall
Now true, having Kinzo turn up incinerated later does somewhat defray suspicion from him and from Natsuhi, but depending on timing it may not; if his body had to be in there quite a long time, then they're just going to assume Natsuhi did it before they caught her. How does Beatrice recover from this situation? "Kill Natsuhi" is the obvious measure, but if they treat her like they did in ep5 and put her under guard, it may become impossible.
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Although the later murders and events as planned by the culprit in EP1 does elevate suspicion away from Natsuhi. More so when she is put under constant supervision.
-when Kanon gets "killed" in the boiler room(impossible for Natsuhi or any other human as everyone's location was determined)
-when the letter was placed in such a way that Natsuhi would drive everyone out(she does have the most authority as the only adult and parent Ushiromiya), the way that it was planned by the culprit that only Maria, Kumasawa,Nanjo and Genji could have placed the letter
-everyone who left the room aside from Maria was killed where it was impossible again for Natsuhi to be blamed for it
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Originally Posted by jjblue1
The problem is that I've hard time believing Nanjo would support Yasu if he had the feeling she could kill him... and considering she's killing even the people she was supposed to like/be friend with (like Jessica for example) the suspicion she might have no peaceful intentions should come to him.
Though it's possible he feels blackmailed. She might have told him:
If you cooperate I'll hand you money, if not I'll say you lied about Kinzo being still alive and about my life or death status and that you were bribed by Kinzo in helping Beatrice Castiglioni.
Though still: Yasu is a teenager who's making a crazy mass murder. If I were in him I'll take my chances, tattle her out and say she's mad and not to believe her accusations (plus that she killed Kinzo and hid his body so I wouldn't have to explain what happened of Kinzo).
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The problem with certain lies is that you need to commit to them. That what exactly what Natsuhi's problem was in the last past games.
If Nanjo was forced into being an accomplice either by monetary compensation, threaten his life or the well being of his grandson into aiding her murder plans.
Look at from Nanjo's perspective that he might not know all of the other accomplices as well in the games when "Shkanon" dies which makes it even more unnerving to make a move. Basically making a move against the culprit and accomplices could result in him falling out of graces of the culprit and getting murdered himself.
Also the another possibility is that Nanjo might believe that certain murders like the one that Jessica was killed was not by Beatrice. Lets say if Genji or Shkanon told him that someone else was committing those murders. For example in EP3 it was implied that there are two murderers. That would make it even less likely to confide in others or make a move on his own for fear that he would get killed by either culprit.
A final possibility is that Nanjo feels guilt tripped into helping Shkanon. Keep in mind that the whole "furniture" complex originated with Nanjo saving them as a baby and telling them the truth about their condition.
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Originally Posted by Wanderer
The actions of the accomplices are always much easier to explain with Murder Game Theory, that they were under the belief that no one was actually dieing.
Although this doesn't mean that there weren't real deaths, nor does it mean that the accomplices were fooled into thinking real murders were fake ones. I think the explanation is more meta. It's like motive was written into the story from the standpoint of a murder game, while the results of the game were written as real. This is why whenever we try to understand the motive in terms of the end result that we always get nonsense: It's because the motive for murder only exists in fantasy and the outcome (mass death) only exists in reality.
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Assuming that Nanjo is the an accomplice which is very likely. How could he be fooled into thinking that the murders were fake when he confirmed people as dead at times according to Kealym. Not to mention as a doctor, he would be pretty hard to fool.