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Originally Posted by Kitsoru
As for uh... the 'fic', well, there's a reason everyone had that happening. It was easily predictable- everyone knew it was stuff that was going to happen if you took the events in series and manga to their logical conclusions.
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This. Now that you've mentioned it, you just made me realise that they really are indeed the most logical conclusions. That's one enlightenment for me, cheers. But one thing that still bugs me is Trowa and Quatre 'living together'. I still can't shake off the thought that this is so because Sumizawa is trying to please 3x4 fans. Both with this, and Quatrine and Phobos. Regarding Wu Fei, I do hope that he really does have a role like you say he does. As of now, I can't really see it tbh. Imo, his long-time presence doesn't really mean he has a vital role... at least, as of current. As for his fighting scene, I am glad that he does have one. It was only mentioned briefly in the thread so I didn't think it was covered that much. Which was my mistake seeing as we only get summaries, not the entire chapter. Now, I am relying on that fighting scene and I do hope that he gets more and eventually becomes a huge character in this. Because he IS one of the original mains.
I don't really like how the majority of the fandom puts Wu Fei in the shadows. My guess is that it's because of the fact that he's kind of a jerk in the series and he defected from Team Protagonist in Endless Waltz. But I always thought by the end, he redeemed himself. So why is he the least favourite and so underrated? I'm not a rabid Wu Fei fangirl at all, it's just that I don't see him any less badass than Heero or the others. Why, is it because he went against all-time favourite Heero Yuy? Come on, Heero was a huge jerk as well.
Okay, so that bit up there is not really a Sumizawa criticism. I'm only saying it to explain why I snapped about Wu Fei not having that much of a role as he did in the series.
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Originally Posted by Kitsoru
I think there's such a negative reaction to *certain aspects of fandom* whining about Relena being either too girly or a bossy bitch that people get neurotic about her portrayals when she shows either side strongly (and I don't necessarily mean you, but in general.) In a situation like that where Heero's going off to die, and with the situation she's in here, you don't think she'd be thinking something like that? And beyond that.... I don't see why it's bad for her to be, as Duo says, sad that the person she loves has to kill her. That IS sad.
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I have to hand it to you, this part here is very well-said, especially the one that I highlighted bold. Seeing as I was the one who whinged about this--Relena being a softie in this chapter--you'd probably find it hard to believe that I agree with you. But I actually do. A lot of her fans do get neurotic when this happens. Don't get me wrong, I do think it is sad that Heero is the one to kill her and that it's natural for her to be hurt about it, but what pissed me off is how it was written. The way it was written, it's as if their "relationship" is one-sided. That it's all Relena. And wow, she's moping about Heero and she begs him to take her life, and Heero, my gosh, accepts as if it were the easiest mission he'll ever do. Sure, it is told from Duo's POV and Heero's just being his good old detached self. But wait, he isn't THAT detached anymore. He did go after her on Libra and then Brussels. And in the film version of EW, he even hesitates for a bit to fire at the basement because Relena was there. So what happened? Where is that guy now? And I'm not saying this because I have shipping concerns. I'm just looking for his character development--where has it gone?
Okay, maybe it's because he hasn't fully recovered his memories. He has just returned to join the living after all. I just hope that that's the case.
And as for Relena, I have to disagree on that one. I never really saw her all shiny-eyes at the sight of Heero. In fact, I always saw Heero the one who "fell in love" with her first. I thought it was just his guy-pride that stopped him from realising it and showing it to her, let alone, admitting it to himself.
Relena simply looked up to him because he's strong enough to fight alone. In a way, he was an inspiration to her. She simply wanted to be like him. It wasn't until episode 48 when she realises she doesn't just admire him anymore that she's not willing to let him go and get himself killed. That, and the fact that it would be her worst nightmare to see the two men of her life kill each other, of course.
I'm not complaining that she said she missed/wanted to see him. Man, she always says that. I'm complaining about Sumizawa writing her as all mopey about Heero killing her.
I mean, back in the day, in the Romafeller Hall or wherever the heck that is, when she was giving her famous in-your-face-Dermail speech, Queen Badass was clearly shown seeing Heero pointing a gun between her eyes. And while she gets surprised that he was there just for that very purpose and somewhat sad that he will be shooting her any moment now, she doesn't lose her composure and even says "Do it, Heero.". Granted, she was on live TV then, and so she couldn't possibly break down in front of billions. Then again, I doubt that that was the reason why she didn't flinch. I mean, at the end of the day the whole universe will see her get shot. Either way, it will cause commotion.
Also afterward, we see her reflecting on life and shiz in a dark room before Treize comes in to tell her to step down. And even then, we didn't (or at least, I didn't) see her thinking about Heero (and his another failed attempt to kill her) and crying about it.
Next stop: Libra. Heero sneaks in to break her out. She didn't have the "OMG-he's-here-to-save-me-I-am-so-moved" look. In fact, she was surprised that he came after her. And she was even more surprised when later, he covers her with his body when Libra takes a nasty hit and debris is falling everywhere.
Flash forward to Endless Waltz. Heero prepares to fire at the basement when Dekim goes, "Oy man, you wouldn't dare, Relena's here!". But Heero being a hero fires anyway because it's for the greater good. And what does Relena do when he DOES fire despite the fact that she knows that he knows she's there? She doesn't budge. Even though a normal person, a young female no less, has every right to feel bad over something like that. Man, I know I would have felt bad if it were me! Wow, he knows I'm here but he still fired? But that's just cuz I'm selfish, I guess. XD
By the time it was all over, Relena wasn't shown thinking about Heero, either. In fact, it was Heero who was shown "thinking" about her. Then he just goes walking off to the starry backdrop. I guess, one can argue with the film version, though. There, Relena looks up at the sky and then the next frame was a huge
Where Is Heero Now scene. I guess you can say she was thinking about him then. But when you think about it, they were BOTH looking up. Which I always interpreted as, you know, miles apart but still under the same sky sap kinda thing.
So why would she cry now and get all angsty about it? Why NOW of all times? When back when she didn't want him to kill her but knew he would, she was fine with it. Yes, I do believe back then she didn't wish to die. Sure, she'd rather have him do it instead of anyone else. She wasn't afraid of dying and was willing to if the situation demanded it. But I doubt she wished for it.
But now that she genuinely does want it cuz she needs it, she starts crying? When back when she didn't want it, she didn't even feel bad.
That's what I'm confused about here.
Unless, of course, something happened between her and Heero prior to getting frozen, like, say if they got together or something, then yeah, I can understand why she would cry now.
If I sound rude or overly aggressive, I do apologise. I honestly do not mean to.
English is not my first language and at times, I find it difficult to use to express what I really want. In all honesty, it took me ages to write this. And not just because it's lengthy. XD Anyway, the last thing I want to do is seem like I'm quoting canon on you, when I am perfectly aware that you know your canon. Please understand that the only reason why I cited these particular events is because I want you to know that my frustration over Relena's abrupt "weak" appearance is based on how I interpreted the canon. It's not simply because I'm some depressed Relena fangirl. I'm NOT saying that you said I was.
Also, I'm not trying to change how you see her nor am I telling you that how you see her is wrong. Heck, I don't even know if I'm right!
Please feel free to say anything you want regarding this. Your previous response was an eye opener. And I feel like thanking you, even. So, thank you.
If I may ask, though, please be a little lenient with me: I think I'm very paranoid and restless . Angelina begging to bear whatshisname's children still haunts me to this day. How Sumizawa writes women somehow scares me. So bottom line, I guess I'm just afraid he'd apply the same shiz to Relena.
You know, Hilde's not my favourite character but man, was I glad when I heard it was her who broke it off with Duo!