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Jan-Poo · 2012-05-11, 20:25

Actually we know that one of the seals was broken. Why else Dlanor wouldn't simply deny that instead of sealing Gaap's blue truth?

The seal of the window of "the next room over" had to have been broken, else Dlanor's actions wouldn't make sense. But this means that anyone in that room could have gone and helped Battler, just as Gaap proposed.

The shkanon gimmick in the end was necessary not so much as to find a solution to save Battler, giving the setting, but rather as a way to bypass Dlanor's veto on the blue truth about the seal of the window. Blue truth that however Battler wouldn't need since he was the Game Master and could use the red truth directly.

This however doesn't make much sense to me for other reasons.

First off, how could the seal be broken if Battler didn't actively made one of his pieces do that? It's already difficult to accept hat Erika as a player could do something behind Battler's back, but even pieces? That's too ridiculous. This of course leads straight to genious Battler, but how in the world Dlanor didn't find strange that Battler wouldn't use one of the persons inside the neighboring room even though the window seal was broken? And it appears that Erika was aware of that too.

Second, if the seals could be broken, and if Battler didn't mind doing so... then why he didn't simply do that? He could have broken not only the seals of the neighboring room but even the one in the cousin's room. If there was no rule to prevent that, then hell! He's never really been in a pinch at all. Again genious Battler, but goddamn stupid Erika. Either that, or totally clueless Battler.

Third, Beatrice's grand strategy wouldn't have worked at all if the seal of the window of the room where Shannon was trapped hadn't been already broken. Which means someone else paved the way for her and yet she didn't wonder how come Battler didn't notice that and didn't use that to his advantage.

In the end the whole shkanon gimmick still required that one of the seals was broken. i.e. the shkanon gimmick wasn't needed at all if Battler used directly that.

So in the end Renall... there was an even easier and pretty stupid solution for Battler to save himself if he wanted.

2012-05-11, 20:25	Link #28772
Jan-Poo 別にいいけど Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: forever lost inside a logic error	Actually we know that one of the seals was broken. Why else Dlanor wouldn't simply deny that instead of sealing Gaap's blue truth? The seal of the window of "the next room over" had to have been broken, else Dlanor's actions wouldn't make sense. But this means that anyone in that room could have gone and helped Battler, just as Gaap proposed. The shkanon gimmick in the end was necessary not so much as to find a solution to save Battler, giving the setting, but rather as a way to bypass Dlanor's veto on the blue truth about the seal of the window. Blue truth that however Battler wouldn't need since he was the Game Master and could use the red truth directly. This however doesn't make much sense to me for other reasons. First off, how could the seal be broken if Battler didn't actively made one of his pieces do that? It's already difficult to accept hat Erika as a player could do something behind Battler's back, but even pieces? That's too ridiculous. This of course leads straight to genious Battler, but how in the world Dlanor didn't find strange that Battler wouldn't use one of the persons inside the neighboring room even though the window seal was broken? And it appears that Erika was aware of that too. Second, if the seals could be broken, and if Battler didn't mind doing so... then why he didn't simply do that? He could have broken not only the seals of the neighboring room but even the one in the cousin's room. If there was no rule to prevent that, then hell! He's never really been in a pinch at all. Again genious Battler, but goddamn stupid Erika. Either that, or totally clueless Battler. Third, Beatrice's grand strategy wouldn't have worked at all if the seal of the window of the room where Shannon was trapped hadn't been already broken. Which means someone else paved the way for her and yet she didn't wonder how come Battler didn't notice that and didn't use that to his advantage. In the end the whole shkanon gimmick still required that one of the seals was broken. i.e. the shkanon gimmick wasn't needed at all if Battler used directly that. So in the end Renall... there was an even easier and pretty stupid solution for Battler to save himself if he wanted. __________________ Last edited by Jan-Poo; 2012-05-11 at 20:36.