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Originally Posted by LeoXiao
As for progress, it exists, but I don't see how the Tiananmen Massacre had to happen for it to succeed. Plenty of countries have experienced economic growth without killing protesters.
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Try looking it with THAT Era's lenses. When Tiananmen started to boil, China was suffering growth pains due to free market reforms, Eastern Europe's government's all were overthrown by violent protests, and USSR was on the verge of collapse thanks to "Shock therapy" promoted by Goldman Sachs of all people.
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Poland violent? Czechoslovakia violent? Hungary violent? Bulgaria violent? What the hell are you on? The only place where a government in Eastern Europe was overthrown with a violent result for obvious reasons around 1989 was Romania (Yugoslavia was a different matter because it split itself later).
About Egypt, Mubarak was told to go fuck himself and rightfully so when things went too far with his greed for power. Same thing for that pineapple face of Noriega in Panama. Same thing in Syria with Assad right now, yet China is among the few countries still supporting that scumbag against the majority of global public opinion. Blaming the West for everything...so easy and so hypocritical. Sometimes, it's better to look in one's own backyard for crap.