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Originally Posted by MidoriHiME

Spoiler for Extreme Never7 & Ever17 spoilers and Remember11:

OK. So, finished with everything but one of the bad ends (Izumi's) and whatever the final thing in the clear list is, but I read all the TIPs so i think I have a pretty comprehensive view of the story.

OK, so, there are some things in this game that make Ever17 make 0 sense. So, Julia got Cure Virus from her friend who had the PSYCHOLOGICAL disorder of Cure Syndrome...how does a psychological disorder make your dna change?? Also, her friend supposedly only touched her. If that's the case, shouldn't Coco have been exosed to Cure before they gave her the anitbodies? I'm pretty sure Tsugumi touched her when she saved her from the boxes both...plus, if they all had Cure and could make delusions reality as long as they believed in them, why did they even need BlickWinckel anyway? >.<

and then, reading the timeline, it seems to imply that even SATORU had Cure somehow because he had such a firm belief in SELF that he made it exist...what???

Well, really, Cure itself makes no sense. In Ever17 it was just some weird evil virus, but now it's also a kind of delusion that can make other people believe your delusions? And in Izumi & Makoto's case, they weren't just sharing an idea, they were sharing an entire universe...How can two people have that exact same delusion? They were basically two individuals living in their own imaginations, so how could their imaginations overlap? It doesn't make any sense...and wouldn't realizing it's all a delusion make the delusion collapse anyway?

Maybe I'm just oversimplifying Cure Syndrome and Cure Virus into the same thing or completely misunderstanding, well, everything, but since Julia's friend had the syndrome and managed to give Julia the virus, this implies to me they are basically the same thing, since all of the symptoms of the syndrome were passed on via the virus (delusions becoming reality, esp. in regards to healing). The only real difference I can see between the two is that Syndrome is psychological, but the virus actually affects your dna. Never7 seems to only deal with the psychological aspect since no one seems to have super-healing abilities or anything like that, but then I really don't get how Julia got a dna-warping virus from a friend's psychological condition...unless her friend only had the psychological conditions because he also had the virus OR he only had the virus but his doctor was convinced it was all psychological...in which case, does the syndrome even exist?? It MUST, or else Never7 makes no sense...ahhh I am so confused.

sorry, that was ramble-y and made no sense, but basically I just want to know what exactly the virus is versus the syndrome/if there IS a difference and if there is, how could something psychological become a physical virus that changes dna...

Spoiler for Major infinity series spoilers:

First of all, there's something I have to clear up that makes a lot of difference at the base of your reasoning. 'Cure Syndrome' is not just a disorder, it's a phenomenon. It's not something you 'have', it's something that 'happens'. The 'reality bending depending on your interpretation' phenomenon is something everyone has, and people who have experienced it are said to be afflicted with 'Cure syndrome'.

As for the virus...Tom received a healing touch through Cure Syndrome. He used this to cure Julia. The fellow patients believed this was due to some kind of immortality virus and hoped to be infected with that virus as well, and due to Cure Syndrome this virus became a reality in the form of the Cure Virus, which infected them all (plus Tsugumi; not sure how exactly she got infected, maybe also due to believing in it with Cure Syndrome). This new Cure Virus changes DNA and only spreads through blood contact or whatever methods work for Ever17's Cure.

As for why Ever17 couldn't be solved due to the Cure Syndrome, I believe there are two reasons:
1) None of the characters were aware of Cure Syndrome, only of the Cure Virus.
2) It's very possible that Cure Syndrome does not work if you're consciously aware of it. Cure Syndrome requires people to strongly believe in a falsehood, and turns that falsehood into a reality. You can't trick yourself into thinking something is true when you know it's not, so you can't purposely trigger Cure Syndrome.

That said, Ever17 was most likely eventually solved due to Cure Syndrome, as I posted in the 999 thread:

You, Coco and (probably?) Kaburaki's belief in a four-dimensional being, combined with You and Kaburaki's desire to save Takeshi and Coco, causes them to 'be able to contact a four-dimensional being that could save their friends' through Cure Syndrome. As a result, Blick Winkel comes into existence (or rather, has already come into existence from that moment onwards), with the paradox already in place so as to make his appearance at that time, in that place possible.

And yes, you are correct that in that it's possible for the reason for Self's existence to be that Satoru believed he exists in 2009, as per the infinity timeline:

Satoru devises the "YUKIDOH Plan
Jumping at the opportunity of the Awazumi incident, Satoru builds confidence in his own thinking.
Borrowing Inubushi's words, he christens the "Transcendental Will (Or rather, intelligence)" as "Self."
Can such a being really exist?
Was this evidence of its existence, or was this an illusion created from his desire for it to exist?
Soon, Satoru devises a plan.
A plan to lure "Self" to this world,
-The "YUKIDOH Plan.

(Which makes Remember11's story even more of a clusterfuck when you consider that the reason his sister "died" might have been only because he caused Self to exist.)

As for Makoto and Izumi in Never7, the entire story was Makoto's "delusion" (depending on your definition of delusion, considering it's real) that became reality, due to multiple people being convinced that Makoto can time travel.

...or at least in Izumi route. It's confirmed that at least in Yuka Route, Cure Syndrome does not exist. Have fun trying to make sense of it.