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Originally Posted by wisteria233
Except that Mikono was just quoting the movie, she wasn't actually saying the line in reference to Amata at all (she outright says so). Heck Amata recognizes the line from the movie as well. You're really drawing at straws with that one.
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Not to interrupt, but this is a visual medium. That means scenes and the background are usually considered as poignant as the wording used. In this is where the problem arises with claiming that fate is being fought. Its not being fought, its being put to the side as the dominant reason (effectively, this is a rerun of Sousei) but it is still a (or the) reason for the initial bonding (as it was in Sousei, where it was not claimed that Apollo/Sylvia were fighting fate. There, they took what their past lives brought them (a chance encounter and an affinity) and fell in love on their own. They ran with fate because it suited them, and then, at the end, started it all over again with meeting 12,000 years later). If they want to follow the theme of fighting fate then this direction makes no sense in that regard, and its not helped when it has been slammed in our faces that everything is following fate:
[1.] Their first meeting is to the movie, and the line of 12,000 years.
[2.] Their date (with the rings) has Amata claiming that it was fate for them to meet.
[3.] Their date for the movie is... to the movie, and they are even floating up with the characters in the background in an identical scene.
When Zessica tells Amata the story, he won't accept it, even if, now in retrospect, its entirely ironic that he's been following said fate even if for reasons other than *because the past said so*. Fighting fate, later? Equally silly. GoldenLad touched on this before but a lot of the message is lost by making Amata=Kagura with no specific distinction between Amata and Kagura aside from fake memories introduces by Mykage. In a completely ironic twist, the one who's actually fighting fate (while blindly following it), is Kagura. He's not meant to exist, he's not meant to have memories of Sylvia, he's not meant to be a person who gets a happy end, yet he tries for it with everything he has because he (as was stated in this episode) refuses to let fate take thing from him.
Claiming that Amata is fighting fate with that sort of imagery right behind you is either a misdirection (which has yet to come up if this follow a deconstruction) or expecting your audience to, as Triple_R said, not be taking a lot this very seriously and not really paying much mind to whatever the story supposedly claims.
If they actually wanted fighting fate then make Amata and Kagura brothers, make it like Sousei but make Amata normal. Same conflict, but you don't lose the majority of the weight in your supposed message message. Otherwise, this is just silly.
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Originally Posted by Winged_Memories
As for Zessica if your assuming her FATE is not to end up with Amata then (yer I agree she's been pushing hard to end up with him) BUT then AGAIN...it wouldn't have been a FATE for her if she didn't fall in love with him in the first place AND whose to say it is or isn't her FATE we are not or shown what her FATE is
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They've written Zessica exceptionally poorly if she turns out to be a reincarnation, and it really undermines the trials and tribulations she went through. At best, at this point, she might turn out to be Touma which means her fate is to always lose, to always be left alone. In which case she'd be fighting fate. If she's a regular person then she's also fighting fate because she's the actual outsider trying to break up the Amagura chasing his destined for one reason or another.
Aside from Touma, who else can she be at this point? I'd prefer no one to give her love, even if futile, meaning. (Next episode, its revealed she's lolsylviapart2, and I find a desk and plant my face onto it in disappointment.)