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Old 2013-01-03, 15:49   Link #4
Irenicus
Le fou, c'est moi
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA
Age: 34
You already noted that Laplace's demon died with classical mechanics' faith in the ironclad laws of science. You may note that further scientific developments has only added more knives on its corpse.

Computational science, for example, brings to attention the fact that, to put it in layman's terms, the universe cannot calculate more than itself. If your determinism works by arguing that sentience is just advanced computering, then recognize that no computer can exceed its theoretical computational capabilities. Once the demon steps outside the frame of the universe, it's just a wizard, and we don't like wizards.

Also note that the most complex "real world" societal systems work on the principle of "close enough," something that's only ever going to be "close enough" to determinism. Money is ever going to be close enough to its true value; the stock market is a mechanism achieved by having a sufficient mass of sufficiently wrong people making choices from limited information; voting predictions work not by predicting every vote correctly but trends and statistical extrapolations. Oh, and the ever-glorious model of evolution, which given its absurdities and mistakes, should make anyone doubt determinism in the first place (unless that fucking demon has a really, really nasty sense of humour).

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Originally Posted by ZGoten View Post
To me however, looking at the world and the universe, determinsim is what seems the most logical explanation for everything.
Why?
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