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Originally Posted by LoveMeKags

Before you mouth off that comment, remember that in the series by the time she had a chance to understand her connection with the Vajra as being series, Ozma was a wanted fiend thanks to Mishima. You really lose track of that.

Also, in regards to everything else you wrote, Sheryl claimed all of Ranka's scenes. The screenshots do not lie. She turned into the so-called Ranka from here except she was three times more clingy than Ranka will ever be. She needed Alto's support too much for a character who could supposedly stand on her own. Then her fake death arrives whereas Ranka should've left with the Vajra. As the other person put it: "absence makes the heart grow fonder." So yeah; your logic fails.

After all, I will compare the Frontier series and movies together here with SDF and DYRL.
In the original Macross, the series and movie displayed the characters in a similar aspect with very little changes; both girls also had ample time with the main character; and also a very important thing to note: no scenes were changed between girls.
Frontier did not do this. Instead, Sheryl's scene with Alto before the final battle becomes Ranka; both along the lines of rejecting the other; and both received similar treatment.
When are you going to wake up and see that since the two are parallel that this is a mirror effect here? And in that respect, Ranka won the series and Sheryl won the movies. It ends all discussion. There cannot be two different sequences in a parallel world, they must run side-by-side. So in that case, Alto had to reject Sheryl in the series because he reject Ranka in the same moment in the movies. It is pure logic.

There is very little chance that Sheryl won in the series. After all, had she won, Alto wouldn't have been so fragile and broken after Ranka's departure nor would he have accepted Mishima's offers; instead, he would've done things accordingly, thought things through, and considered Sheryl's condition and mindset before accepting such offers. Instead, he jumped the gun, as they say, and went head first into things with no guarantee of survival. Not only that but he constantly continued to think about Ranka's departure the whole freaking time. He couldn't let Ranka go. What does that tell you? So what if he's still trying to understand her leave? The point of every flashback scene is to tell you he is thinking of her, trying to understand her, and missing her presence. She is obviously someone who comforts him. And in that point of the series, Sheryl apparently wasn't giving enough comfort for him to relax and prepare for their final showdown because he was tense right up until the end, especially when around Sheryl.

I'll be frank; I ain't trying to start a fight. I am simply stating my point of view that apparently other fans, and not just Ranka fans, have noticed about the series. There are quite a few sane Sheryl fans who've noticed his tenseness throughout the end of the series and discovered the loss of Ranka brought this about. Once you notice it, he isn't quite himself during those final episodes. He mutates into a man whose half-alive. He needed Ranka, she left him to stop the war (with a sideline of him being too indecisive), and it was, in essence, his fault. He should've been true to his feelings (no matter who they'd belonged to) long beforehand. He caused quite a bit of misunderstandings from both girls.

I wish everyone would stop pitting the love triangle related crap on the girls for once and pin it on the boy.

I am done with this discussion because it seems irrelevant to discuss any Macross related things without being bombarded with people who always think they're right. Unless you have solid proof from Kawamori that he intended all along for Alto and Sheryl to be together since the series, then the love triangle is still entirely open minded and up for debate. Plus, since the movies are a parallel of the series, whatever happened in the series rings true in the movies (therefore the mirror effect of Alto rejecting Ranka became Alto rejecting Sheryl in the series).

-ends conversation for good, will not reply again-

And you forget that in the tv series she also make the colossally bad decisions (try to excuse it all you want but at the end of the day they were still bad decisions that she made). She didn't speak up for herself, and was prone to rushing ahead without thinking first, and she didn't seek the advice of people around her besides Alto, who didn't know anything. Everything that the SMS characters figured out in the tv series, they figured on their own.

Movie Ranka doesn't have anymore information on the Vajra than Tv series, Ranka does, actually you could argument that she has even less. Movie Ranka didn't gain the knowledge of the Vajra that episode 15 Ranka had, until halfway through SnT, when they scanned her body, after she informed her brother of her concerns, she also never gains the knowledge of episodes 21 to 25 Ranka. So yeah your claim that movie Ranka somehow had more knowledge than tv series Ranka is incorrect, because it wasn't that movie Ranka somehow had more knowledge, it was just that she was more cautious with the little knowledge she did have.

Oh really that's funny because I seem to remember there being a hell of a lot of new Ranka scenes in the movies. In the first movie we actually see more of Ranka than we do of Sheryl, and in the second movie, their screen time is the same. Not to forget that most of Nyan Clip, two singles, most of the Christmas album, a CM album, and on top of that she had more songs and concerts in the second movie than Sheryl.

Oh yeah and your argument about Sheryl "stealing" Ranka's scenes, totally ignores the fact that Sheryl just met Alto, and unlike Ranka she actually does need more scenes to establish herself enough to be believable contestant in the love triangle. Not to forget the blog's comparison that you posted is totally posted it completely out of context. In fact I could come up with a arguments that all of those "moments" aren't similar at all or even that those so-called Ranka moments are in fact not Ranka moments, though I don't need to as its already been pointed out numerous times. Those scenes are visual parallels and that's just it, they are merely visual parallels nothing more. For those comparisons to hold true you'd have to ignore everything else (mood, setting, dialogue, and the sequence of events that led up to them) for both the tv series and the movies, which the owner of that blog did.

Also what? We must be in a bizarro universe, because that the only way I can see your logic making any sense. Might I remind you that in the tv series Alto was considering killing Ranka if she ever stood as an enemy of Frontier and he only didn't because Sheryl begged him not to. How is that in anyway romantic? How does that helps Ranka's case with Alto? How is it even that even an example of "absence makes the heart grow fonder"? Alto was conflicted because he had no idea what Ranka was thinking, and neither did those she left behind, not her fans, her friends, or even her brother. It wasn't shown as a romantic confliction. Ditto for the movies the scenes of Sheryl being branded a traitor (not through misunderstanding) and Alto being conflicted about it happens for both movies, in both cases it wasn't romantic and served as a way to keep them from understanding one another. Alto gets over by the second movie, when he joins the others springing her out of prison. However unlike the tv series with Ranka where it was a just a misunderstanding, caused by Alto not really listening to Ranka and Ranka's inability to confide in people besides Alto, plus he is unsure of her position; Sheryl really is a spy and therefore a traitor she's also a stranger, so Alto actually had a lot more to get over before he could even consider caring about her as a friend.

Again Ranka was in a much better position than Sheryl in both the movies and the tv series. Since in the tv series they had a lot of mutual friends, from episodes 1-11 she had a lot more free time, her only real obstacle was herself since she didn't think to ask for his number or to look up the most basic information about him. Ranka just never took advantage of her advantage, she wasn't proactive in pursuing him, on the other hand Sheryl spends so much time with Alto because she does actively pursues him. In the movies Ranka is Alto's friend, and Sheryl was a spy who Alto was outright told not to hang around, Ranka is actually proactive in pursuing Alto, Sheryl does not actively pursue Alto (because she can't), plus advantages that she did in the tv series.

Also absence can make the heart grow fonder but it won't make you fall in love with someone, nor does it make you fall out of love with somebody else, and too much of it can make the heart grow yonder. The reason why absence makes the heart grow fonder is because the fondness was already there, and the absence of that person forces one to become aware of just how fond of that person they were, in that same time it is quite possible to fall in love with somebody else and when you do its a sign that you most likely weren't as fond of the absentee as you thought. It also depends on the determination of a person to keep the fondness of the absentee. In fact there are a lot of real life of people moving on from those who they believe to be dead.

Except there was no indication of Alto being in love with Ranka in the tv series at all. The only scene you can use for your argument as an indication of that was debuked as having nothing to do with romance. Most of their interactions are one-sided with Ranka piling on the affection and Alto not responding to it or just outright ignoring it. Their entire relationship (in the tv series anyway) is based on Ranka asking Alto for advice and Alto giving her the advice she asks for. However on the flip side Alto doesn't reveal himself to Ranka and holds her at arms with her being none the wiser. Alto cannot read Ranka's moods, he can't tell is something is wrong with her, he needed other people to spell out her intentions for him. As opposed to Sheryl where he knows that something is wrong and chases her down and actually gets angry with her, when she won't tell him what it is.

Actually you calling Sheryl needy is hilarious considering it was Alto who sought her out, after Sheryl tried to keep her distance. Also Sheryl deliberately hid the fact that she had a terminal illness (he found out that she was ill from Klan), and in episode 24 she tried to "set him free" which he had problems with. Sheryl never once holds her illness over his head as reason why he should stay with her. Sheryl in movie she only makes any real effort to pursue Ranka, she pushes Alto away from her, it is Alto who chases after Sheryl when she does. Sheryl only pursues him in the movie once, when he is injured in the hospital.

Really some times I read your post and wonder if you were watching some other show that you constantly mistake for Macross Frontier, but hey whatever floats your boat.