[LeoXiao]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

Back to the topic, given how terrible the Russia (Soviet? Russia? oh well you guys know what i means...)'s economy and society fell like stones after 1989 when China do not. I believe many Chinese out there pretty much feel that the Tiananmen Square "incident" was justified (yeah you heard it, whether that the true cause or whether the propaganda kicked in).


Sad but true

Making some economic reforms and killing thousands of people who are just asking for some freedom of thought are two different things. It's not like the CCP had to do both; its just that doing both was more convenient for holding on to absolute power. The CCP was only going to concede what it really had to in order to survive, and that was domestic economic dominion. Even though China might be more successful today if more political freedom had been allowed, it might have reduced the CCP's power beyond an acceptable point and so therefore the June 4th event was needed to ensure its grip on power.

It's somewhat annoying when people don't think clearly and assume that CCP=China.

Granted, it may manifest itself in political rhetoric or parts of Chinese culture, but the CCP is not stupid enough to think that closing off its doors will help its country grow in an era that features increased amounts of globalization.

China is letting in foreigners to a certain extent. But if it made it even more lenient, think about it: How many foreigners would you expect to emigrate to China? Probably some, but not a significant amount and definitely not enough to actually change anything.

You're confusing the Party structure under Mao, and today. The great killer events can be put down to Mao. GLF is his idea, along with the CR. It was after those total disasters that the Party decided to enforce the "first among equals" rule more rigidly.

Had there not been Mao, I think the Party still would have initiated something similar to the CR, and done some other death programs. Why? Because Stalin had done those with success. Also, the very atmosphere that the CCP under Mao developed in Chinese society has made things convenient to control for the CCP now. Otherwise, without such drastic measures, the CCP could not have been able to get so much power because lots of the values of the Communist ideology (which is inherently a Western invention) could not coexist with Chinese culture. So it had to be rooted out, and this was accomplished by Mao. Had there been no Mao, either the CCP would've done what he did anyway or they would've collapsed after a decade or so.