[Kyanme]

Originally Posted by Kipp

Spoiler for episode 10:

I found this picture amusing, I couldn't help it. After the initial eye rolling and inner groan, I just found it rather comical.

Spoiler:

Next episode, we learn that Kazuya is the secret love child of Touga Kiryuu and Akio/Dios.

Originally Posted by Skyfall

I understand what you are saying, but that was not exactly my point Of course, most of the time i sympathize with "the good Guys"and i don't like "the bad guys", but that is not exclusively true for all occasions. Also, just because a person is not a saint and behaves in a questionable manner does not make him a "bad guy" out right. And deducting whether the guy is good or bad based on my ability to sympathize with him/her wouldn't make for a very accurate judgment

Lets take Fate from Nanoha series.

Spoiler:

In first season she was clearly the main antagonist of the series - collecting the Jewel Seeds for her own selfish purposes and beating up "the good guys". Teh evil, ne ?

Why was she doing it? Because of her mothers wish - she was just a 11 or so old girl who just wanted to earn her mothers smile or even the smallest form of affection, so she gave it her all. Didn't stop her mother from beating her with a whip regardless of what results she achieved, and requesting of her to work harder.

Obviously, the "bad guy" of the series is Fate's mother, not Fate herself, even if it was Fate who did all the jewel hunting and arse kicking.

Fate is my favorite character from Nanoha by far, and i could truly sympathize with her, despite her being "on the bad side".

The situation with Kyoshiro is similar to a degree(basing his actions in order to carry out the "will" of his closest family member). And while i am not sympathizing with him out right, calling him a bad guy is a streeeeeetch.

Again - concluding that a character is "bad" simply because i don't sympathize with him is not very objective, because that would make Kira(GS/GSD) the biggest bastard in the universe, because my grandest wish was for him to die.

Well, see, I was saying more over it's makes them a bad guy to that person. I don't mean bad guy - bad guy in this case, more like bad character. (Before I was going on and on about how I sympathize with certain characters.) To them, they're the antagonist of the show. It depends their own personal views. For example, a lot of people (Myself included) would drop this show if Kaon and Himiko were not in it. I'm not interested in Kuu or Kyoshiro, or Taroutte or anyone else prsent in the cast. Setsuna? Yes. But I'd get along fine with fanfiction. If Kaon and Himiko were not present, this series just wouldn't be worth it for me.

In the end, what I was tryin' to say was - depending on the person, they'll either find the character to be a bad guy or a good guy. The cases of Fate and Kyoshiro are hard to classify - since well, yes, they need to be punished for the bad deeds they did. It's a bad deed. It's needed to be punished. There's no excuse for wanting to kill someone (Referring to Kyoshiro). The only way for him to redeem himself is to try to save the AAs now and prove his view has changed. His heart was in the right place, and maybe it's the just sadist in me, but when someone does like that, I'd rather like to see a nice dose of justice either way.