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Originally Posted by Sumeragi
Are you sure that whatever way of telling time (understanding this world) is quite proven?
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It has its (well known) limitations, but yes, within those limitations, it's passed all the tests it was submitted to.
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Would a sundial ("unproven" nature-based, essentially religion) be as proved as a mechanical clock (science)?
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All clocks are based around natural phenomenons. They're all science. Religion would be faith time-telling. It would be asking a ouija board for the time. Nature-based doesn't mean unscientific. Science is the bastard child of empirical reality (nature) and logic. It's when you think faith trumps either (or often, both) that you've got a religion.
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One cannot quite say that.
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And why not? It's like the difference between Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity. They have different limitations, and one is clearly more primitive, but they're both scientific. At least, one can use science to show that sundials work well enough within the right conditions.