If you don’t mind, I would like to contribute to your analysis, most of the topic's here came about to a different level between you and I.
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On his bloodline:
Itachi's Sharingan is an inherited gift, but it's obvious that not everyone can take it as far as Itachi has (it's not even proven that all Uchiha obtain Sharingan) . In fact, someone on Itachi's level seems to be exceedingly rare even within the Uchiha clan. So the vast majority of his skill comes from his own talent. That makes him as much as a genius of ninja just as much as the 3rd or the Sannin.
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True, but I don’t think its THAT obvious, we already know how to attain the Mangekyo Sharingan, and to be honest it doesn’t sound too hard, as cold as that sounds. What I mean is, any weak ass Uchiha who is seeking more power, if they could bring them self to kill their best friend (who might be some one really weak, or not even a Ninja) Can attain the Mangekyo Sharingan.
Don’t get me wrong, by all means I’m not saying just because they have the Sharingan or even the Mangekyo Sharingan they can do what Itachi does with his. By all means hell no, Itachi is no doubt special, but to go as far as to say some one as far as Itachi in the Uchiha clan is extremely rare. That might be the case cause everyone is freaking dead, they were not given a chance.
What about Madra, what about the Future Sasuke, what about Future Uchiha that would have lived if it was not for Itachi, and obviously someone had to find out about Tsukuyomi, or Amaterasu, or Mangekyo Sharingan because there are records of how to attain them in the Uchiha history. Yea as far as it goes, In Narutoverse
right now, because the whole Uchiha clan is dead, and Sasuke is still too weak and cant kill his best friend, not everyone can take it as far as Itachi because they never got the chance to.
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On his ninjustu:
Itachi is probably one of the best ninjutsu users in the series. Of course, most of the time he prefers to rely his Mangekyou Sharingan, but if he has the Sharingan his repretoire of copied moves might be as large as technique specialists like Kakashi and Orochimaru. Like most Uchiha, he is an expert at Katon. There is some question as to how complicated some of his techniques like the exploding KB are, how much chakra they use, etc., etc. But one thing is clear, he is able to use all his ninjutsu in ingenuitive and effective ways. He does seem to lack a summon however, something most of the strongest ninja nearly all have. But once again it can be argued that he doesn't really need one with MS
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No argument here. Except it would be nice if he could summon something like, a scarlet spider..ish thing ;P.
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On his taijutsu:
As it's been stated, Itachi isn't really a taijutsu user. But his taijutsu seems to be quite good and is enhanced by Sharingan. His level in taijutsu really seems to come down to a question of speed and how it compares to Gai's and Lee's. It is hard to compare the two since Itachi has "offscreen speed" (which I explain in an earlier post) while Gai and Lee have overall speed. Presumably, Itachi can open at least the first gate as this is a apparently a jounin requirement, meaning he could keep with Gai or Lee if they took their weights off, but probably not after they started releasing a higher number of gates. Overall, I'd say Itachi is near the peak of taijustu skill one can achieve without actually becoming a taijutsu specialist.
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Because our debate is on pause on this matter, I wont say much except. I agree with one thing, Itachi and Sasuke seem to have "Off Screen" speed just as you stated, this makes me wonder. Most likely? It's short bursts of speed, kind of like
shunpo from bleach (flash step). Then there's always the question, is it a Sharingan induced trick? Where they use the Sharingan to show they are still there, and "release" once they are next to you or behind you, making it seem as if the just appeared there "off screen speed".
However, this also brings up this question, how do we know this is not done to show character? By that I mean, this whole off screen thing, remember this is a manga it shows no motion at all (like hair moving in the wind), so how do we know this is not something added to Sasuke and Itachi, to show the "Cool factor" that they are making them more popular with their fans?
In the Anime, you cant see this "Off screen" speed, any time you see Sasuke or Itachi move at a fast rate, its either a kage bunshin, OR you see them fade out in a distorted way EX: around the start of the Anime the Zabuza arc, the fight when Sasuke Call's Naruto scaredy Cat in that fight, to protect Sakrua and the Client Sauske appears in front with them with that distorted fade out Image, and again during the Zabuza fight. (This can be seen as short bursts of speed)
So you see my point? Although the Anime does not hold much status here, Sasukes and Itachi's off screen speed in the mange, could have been done to give character, effect, depth, and coolness.
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On his genjutsu:
Itachi is a genjustu user with no rival (except for possibly Uchiha Madara). Even without his devestating Tsukuyomi, Itachi can use high-level genjutsus that require no doujustu and are very hard to dispel.
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No arguement here.
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On his handseals:
Itachi has almost never been seen performing hand seals. Whether or not this is due to his arms being inside the cloak can't be said for sure. The unseen seals might be another aspect of his "offscreen" speed or it could be due to his cloak concealing the movements. For the most part, Itachi does seem to keep his hands concealed within his sleeves, but this doesn't mean that he isn't performing the hand seals extremely fast.
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Once again, this comes down to the Taijutsu stuff, his hand seals. Are they because of short bursts speed? Off screen speed? or his real speed?
I'll add this, OR is it a Sharingan Induced Trick? Using the Sharingan to make it seem like his hands are not moving, while he performs the seals.
I'll once again go with short burst's of speed because of the Manga / Anime example I typed down In the Taijutsu section up there.
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So looking at Itachi's skills without taking Mangekyou into consideration, I think I would consider him somewhere in between elite jounin and Sannin/Kage if such a level is even possible. I really want to see how he fares in his future battles, especially against Kakashi. Kakashi having a Mangekyou Sharingan of his own now, is a good measuring stick of Itachi's skill. Kakashi did well against Itachi's clone, but the substitute was only operating at 30% of Itachi's normal chakra. How powerful would Kakashi be against a normal powered Itachi at this point?
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I wont accept Sannin/Kage, Itachi had trouble with Jiraiya. The first time around lets not forget in the Anime OR the Mange, how confident Jiraiya was, they fled.
No don’t blame this on the fact that Itachi didn’t have much Chakra, if that was the case they wouldn’t try to get rid of Jiraiya using a Woman. The fact is they them self said Naruto is under the protection of a Sanin, PLEASE stop underestimating the level of Kage and Sanin.
I'll accept that without the MS Itachi would be considered a ELIT Jounin, but that is All. No way in hell Sanin/Kage level when he ran from Jiraiya, even with his MS. Also waited around for the right opportunity and using a woman so they wont have to face Jiraiya.