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Originally Posted by AuraTwilight
That's actually perfectly valid; it's literally one of the biggest tropes in post-modern fiction.
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I'm not saying it isn't a valid trope, and it's certainly an interesting
idea, but at least as far as Umineko is concerned ... I've gotten the impression that Ryukishi had a solid idea of who these people were, and portrayed them faithfully. I just don't find much evidence for one to seriously consider otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Leafsnail
I'm sure some people would cry foul. But why would Kyrie care? Nobody can prove anything, and she can tell a fairly plausible story in which she is the victim. Heck, no-one would even be able eto come up with a plausible scenario in which Kyrie is guilty - did she take tonnes of explosives with her on the boat or what?
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Yeah, she can make up whatever story she wants, but as far as actually enjoying the rest of her life and absurd amounts of money, having other survivors just seems to make things easier, without requiring further work. George / Jessica / Maria wouldn't have any choice but to believe whatever Kyrie or Rudolf decided to tell them. It just seems like killing the kids/servants makes things
harder.
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Originally Posted by Leafsnail
Incidentally, has anyone considered the implications of Lion's death in the E7TP? Even with no Beatrice, no Battler and no epitaph Kyrie still kills people in 1986. I'm not really sure what to make of that - does Kyrie have a lot more knowledge than we think she does, allowing her to know about the bomb even without Yasu? Does she just bug out over Battler's parentage regardless? Is she trying to seize the Ushiromiya headship for Rudolf/Battler since she doesn't know about the gold?
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This is one of the reasons everyone assumed/s that Bern was basically being mean for the sake of being mean (which, I mean, she kind of was, nonetheless). In Lion's world, Krauss is only hiding embezzlement, Natsuhi probably doesn't even know about the embezzlement because Kinzo isn't dead, and the bank card that Kyrolf tries to get wouldn't even exist. One must assume Kinzo takes Beatrice's place in the gold room, to explain the bomb mechanism, but would he completely bow out of the discussion in the same way that Beatrice did? With winchesters in the room?
I like to think that probably Bern was just being a dick.
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Originally Posted by jjblue1
And yay, now everyone suddently has guns because apparently Rosa as one too. She argues without fear with Eva who evidently recovered her gun which she had dropped but neither shoot until Kyrie shoot Rosa because evidently Kyrie got a gun as well.
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I agree with many of your points (Natsuhi jumps from arguing with Kyrolf, to physically grabbing Eva?), but to be fair the narration said that the 4 guns had already been picked up. Based on what we see, it seems each of the siblings had picked up one.
I'd personally be much more interested in the part of the discussion where the first person decided to pick up a gun, because THAT'S when things get really off track for them.