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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

See that's where the line is blurry. Britannia isn't all bad and Japan isn't all good.

Britannia kills children and civilans and is generally evil, but there are good people there too. Lloyd Cecile the student council are generally good people who aren't racist in the least. Euphie might have been naive but she was also good. Cornelia Darlton, and Gulford have done some bad things in the name of their country but they are decent people at heart and are at least honorable and learned to become less racist as Suzaku changed their view on numbers.(and remember the reason the royal family was so harsh to Japan was because Lelouch and sis were supposedly killed there) Even Villeta proved to have nice personality once she forgot her miltary training and conditioning. The only outright evil person in Britannia is the Emperor who apparantly doesn't even give a damn about his own children.

The Emperor gives a damn about his country and its future, not his children. He is not evil in anyway for that, if anything he is an amazing ruler. Countless countries have fallen by the wayside because a ruler couldn't pick a heir (spliting his kingdom) or from focusing to much on his own name and not the well-being of the kingdom. Rivalry's would spawn but unlike the Emperor's forced rivalry, they were uncontrolled and could easily rip the country apart upon correnation. At least for our Emperor Vi Britannia, when someone makes it to the top, the empire knows they've earned it. Its a succession not based on order or favorability but on sheer ability and promise. There is no evil about him, hell, from an advancement point of view, he is probably one of the greatest rulers.

And your comparison for Villeta is rather... strange. She is a completely different person once she loses all her training and conditioning. That is who she is. She is defined by her experiences, conditionings, and overall her own life. Chigusa was a different person, different experiences, and an overall different life. It's like saying a new born is the same thing as the child that took ten years to develop into who it is. She may have a nice personality, but it is a different person's personality.

Lloyd is not a good person, in any way shape or form. He may put on airs of being nice but he is not. He does what he does because he wants to do something, not because it might matter to someone else. Life is a game to him.

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Japan seems good in the show but the backstory proves they aren't quite as holy as they think they were. The were just oppressive to forigners prior to Britannan takeover like Britannia was to them now. Suzaku's stupid father was trying to play all three sides against each other with his Sakuradite and caused the invasion himself when he taunted all three sides that no one would dare attack Japan because all three sides would have to move in to get Sakuradite for themselves and it would all be destroyed. Then when the Emperor answered his foolish challenge Genbu decided he would rather sacrifice every person in his country rather than try to negotiate and save lives.

Tis true. They are/were virtually the same, a country that worries about itself not others. Which is, to be frank, expected since they are both clearly shown as heavily nationalistic societies. Genbu did what most of the Japanese wanted. It's akin to WWII where they only gave up once Little Boy and Fat Man wiped two cities off the face of the Earth.

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Suzaku killing his father was a GOOD thing. Everyone on every side admits this. Because they gave in they were able to preserve lives and since they still had military strength left were able to form a resitance and later on a rebellion. The Black Knights and Lelouch's forces would not be able to exist without Suzaku. Had Japan not surrendered all of its military would have been destroyed, most of it civilians killed and all of its resources destroyed or taken over. There would be no one to give Lelouch mecha, no Japanese rebels to fight for him, and heck Lelouch himself probably would have been killled during the invasion. So thank Suzaku, without him there would be no Black Knights years later.

There is no sane way to say it was a good thing. It was an aweful decision by him, but the ramifications could be said to be better than the alternative. This, however, is a matter of who you ask. Some people would rather be dead and forced into oppression and psuedo-slavery. Suzaku killing his father was a stupid decision by a child but the result was a better one than the alternative. You cannot give Suzaku props for his decision if for only the reason that he was a child with no understanding of how the world worked but decided to make a decision none the less. There is also the fact that Genbu would never have managed to continue his bitter opposition of the invasion. It would be like WWII where countless civilians and innocent people would die but eventually pressure (political, public) would force them to surrender. Or he'd just be assassinated by the Empire, which is not unlikely in any way shape or form. So you're exagurating things...

Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

The Black Knights themselves had decended into mob mentality in the finale. They attacked Villeta for no real reason (not exactly helping her view of Japanese) and Tamaki was gonna kill the council against orders. They were Lelouch's friends remember. If Nunally had been there as well then Lelouch's entire plan would have been ruined by one dumbass Japanese who couldn't control his racism. Suzaku was almost a damned hero standing up for them like he did. That whole scene through everything out of perspective with the heroic Black Knights about to engage in random murder and the evil Britannia swooping in heroicly.

Not that the Black Knights actions weren't unjustifed (though shooting up school children was a bit much Dumbass needs to calm the hell down or he's gonna destory Lelouch's plans someday.) but it certainly proves the Britannia=evil villians Japan=good heroes theory is not correct.

While the theory is not correct, certain elements are being given to much credit. Suzaku is no more a hero than MacBeth to the Japanese.